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VasquezJ, Multitudes of people come to this forum and earnestly ask for assistance with identifying all aspects of coins. Most will (begrudgingly at times) accept the information provided to them. There are a few people that bring a coin to this site and make outlandish claims about that coin, then ask for opinions. It is evident that you have limited experience with inspecting/identifying coins. Why do you think that anyone will take your claims or questions seriously if you continue to tell members who have more years of experience with coin collecting than you have living that they are wrong. No member of this forum maliciously disparages other member without some kind of trigger. That trigger is people who ask for assistance then rudely claim that these member don't know what they are talking about. And lets be honest, what are you, or any other person for that matter, going to do if you lose your composure? You are on the internet in a chat room, not at a bar or other public space. Childish and empty threats are about the dumbest thing any person can ever post on an internet chat site. You asked for an opinion, you got them. If you are not happy with the opinions provided, maybe this forum is not your type of "waters". There are plenty of other "waters" about coins that you can jump into. Continuing to argue your claims will simply exacerbate "the waters". Members know what they know and you know what you know. There is limited room for negotiation on opinions. Good luck with your coin collecting endeavors.

Hello and welcome! Unfortunately, your coins are not the "small date" variety. The small date variety has more space between the 2 and the rim. The below images will help illustrate the differences.

Just for a bit of (S&G), it will be necessary for you to post your failed attempts as well.

Found this article: THE GREAT DENVER MINT ROBBERY OF 1922 The Rocky Mountain News published an article January 4th on the "Great Mint Robbery" of 1922 -Editor http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3340/3185531580_6feb07348c_m.jpg Six days before Christmas 1922, the Rocky's page 1 lead story had all the elements of a best-seller - the robbery of $200,000 from the U.S. Mint, a shootout and getaway in downtown Denver, and the alluring notion that the "queen" of a bandit gang might somehow be involved. While federal and county officers watched all roads throughout Colorado and neighboring states and officers of the law were sharpening their wits in effort to checkmate the fugitives, the four bandits who robbed a United States mint at 10:30 o'clock yesterday morning and killed Charles T. Linton, a guard, were still at liberty late last night, and the searchers frankly admitted that they were without clews. That 63-word first paragraph was only the beginning of breathless coverage that would continue for days. The paper printed eight stories the first day after the robbery. Four masked "desperadoes" in a black touring car, with curtains drawn, pulled in front of the West Colfax Avenue entrance to the mint alongside a Federal Reserve bank truck. " 'I heard a shot, then several. Then the general alarm going in the mint,' superintendent Robert Grant told reporters after. 'Every man picked up a rifle and rushed to the door.' " But Linton was shot, dying, and the robbers had grabbed 50 packages of $5 bills that the guards had been transferring into the truck. Eighteen days later, the shot-up getaway car was found in a Denver garage. Sitting inside was the frozen body of one robber injured in the shootout. Part of the money, $80,000, eventually was recovered in Minnesota. Then, in 1934, Denver police announced that five men and two women had been linked to the robbery, but no names were released. Police said all of the suspects were either dead or in prison for other crimes. No one was ever charged for the heist. To read the complete article, see: December 19, 1922: The great mint robbery (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/04/ the-rocky-150-years-the-great-mint-robbery/) Wayne Homren, Editor

And that sir, is the point of collecting coins. If you like it, you can collect it. There are trillions of coins out there, go crazy, but try not to go broke!

PMD is Post Mint Damage. Generally meant to refer to damage caused after the coin was produced. Although coins get nicked and dinged up in processing/packaging, the impact you see was not created during the minting process. The damage you see on your coin will not add any value to it. Unfortunately, it will tend to reduce value. Distracting marks are not aesthetically pleasing.

Based on the referenced story, it looks like a few have been found and authenticated. I will say that the Obverse of your 20p coin seems a bit lighter in color than photos of the authenticated variety. Just be sure to obtain the weight of the authenticated coin order to compare. If the weight is within range, I would urge you to seek out a local dealer or two to get an "in hand" inspection/opinion. If after researching/comparing and getting some seasoned dealers, you are still confident in your coin being authentic, you would then need to decide to spend $50-100 for a third-party grading service to authentic it. It is best to get a few opinions before submitting, better safe than sorry. Keep us apprised of your next steps.

PM5K, twice today you have dragged me to the light of my gross oversight. No DDO, just DDR. OP, my apologies. Leaping before looking has been my forte for far too long.

Thank you Powermad, I am ordering glasses from Amazon tonight. Wow, so NGC is really trying to dumb down and fluff up numismatics to the level of sports cards. First the 10 point grading scale of NGC-X and now throwing in a snippet of cloth as though that adds any credence to the coin. The end is nigh!

Maybe I need glasses, that I cannot deny, but where oh where is the bag in there?

Hiya!, there is a minor DDO for the 1972 quarter. Unfortunately, to my limited understanding, it was caused by Master Hub Doubling which affected a significant number of coins and is quite minor in its' effect. Unfortunately not rare. More experienced/knowledgeable members will provide better detail than I can.

why did someone shoot Eddie the eagle? Those mean mean people!

Hiya, the 82d cent is a large date, so the weight would be around 3.04g. The 20 pence seems a bit browner than silver, but lots of stuff could happen in 42yrs. Weigh the 20pence, it should be 5.0g. I am not sure what you are referring to about: "flanked with 1 pence", but after reading strange things about coins on the internet, it is best to seek legitimate numismatic sources to determine the veracity of the story. Lots of people are wrong or misguided. Case in point: I found this on ebay while looking into your 20pence inquiry: This guy indicates his 20pence is silver, to my limited knowledge it is not. Tell us more about the 1p flanking the 20p concern you referenced.

Ah, if I only knew back then what I now know, life could be so different. Your post dead on. Unfortunately, fresh faces are blinded by the light of the "unicorn" find and only after experiencing the pitfalls, will they step back and take stock...If they are smart enough. Side note: what you have learned in your post can apply to more aspects of life than just coin collecting. Everybody is selling something & nothing is as "easy" as they say.

Hi and welcome. In the future, you would want to create a separate topic specific to your coin. This thread is a bit outdated. In response yo your statement. PCGS is one of the most reputable Third-Party Grading services. The key difference between a bronze cent and a zinc cent is the weight. A Bronze penny will weigh 3+ grams. Your coin is not bronze. The environmental damage on your coin is not nearly enough to decrease the weight. Visually, it is most likely impossible to distinguish every bronze cent from a zinc cent. Many, sure, most, maybe, but not all, ever. It is unlikely that you will accomplish anything in attempting to fight PCGS. The only way to prove it is Bronze is to damage it further by exposing the inner part of the coin. Good luck on your efforts.

lol, how dare you speak so logically. Unacceptable sir, unacceptable.

Hiya, clear and cropped photos will be required to further investigate concerns. If you are taking your coins to appraisers, hopefully their credentials should give you the impression of their qualification to provide relatively accurate assessments of coins. Like this forum, people have differing opinions, but usually all will come to a similar agreement. Virtually all coins get dinged up in the process of production and in circulation, one could multiply that infinitely. Like clouds in the sky, I have stared cross-eyed at cons and saw some interesting "anomalies". It is best to ALWAYS assume that what you may see on a coin is most likely (definitely) Post Mint Damage. I will always recommend that you post good photos here to hope for the best, but please expect the worst.

Hi,your photo is too far away to make even the basic design features. When you post a coin, it is necessary to provide clear, properly aligned (right side up, not sideways or upside down), cropped photos of both the obverse and reverse. If there is any area of the coin that needs close examination, then you can add clear, non-pixelated images of the area in question. Based on the title, I am a bit confused, your photo is of a 1988p Nickel, but you indicate in the title that the "2 & 6" seem "precarious". I was not aware of a 2 & 6 being present on a 1988p Nickel. Best bet is to get the clear, closer photos and we can go from there. I would also like to provide you with a blanket statement that could be more of a warning label for fledgling coin collectors. Varieties/errors produced by the US Mint are not as common as YouTube, Ebay, Esty, etc. . . claim they are. The valuable varieties/errors are valuable for a reason, because they are extremely rare. Take, for instance, the 1992 Close AM variety. There where effectively 9,100,000,000 (BILLION) 1992 cents minted. Out of that minuscule amount only about 200-300, have been found & graded, and 300 is probable too generous, it is probably closer to 200. Coins have been produced for thousands of years and during that time, billions of bored, desperate, and creative people have found innumerable ways to deface a coin. The saying: "the simplest answer is also the best" fits very well for coin collectors. Most odd, strange, or precarious features on a coin are usually the result of post-mint damage (PMD). After scouring through 20-30k coins, you will begin to realize the futility of "expecting" to find a billion dollar baby. I at least, will state that I have come to that realization, but it took me 40k. I am a slow learner sometimes.

Me personally, I would focus on the A & the M, if they are touching or absurdly close to touching, then I would post it on this site for further determination. These are pricey and pricey means rare. I have searched thousands of 1992's and got a lot of rot and split plating. LOL, I always found a close AM when a 1993 got mixed in my 92's, and wow, was I excited for 1 sec. . . then reality set in. This is info from PCGS: Distinguishing a Close AM from a Wide AM If you’re looking for a 1992 Close AM Lincoln Cent from either of the two mints that produced these coins, you’ll need to flip all your 1992 “pennies” over so you can view their reverses. The variety in question is found in the legend “UNITED STATES oF AMERICA,” scrawled out in semicircular fashion across the top half of the reverse along the rim. In particular, one must pay close attention to the letters “A” and “M” of “AMERICA,” right between the 1 o’clock and 2 o’clock positions in the upper right quadrant of the reverse. What makes a Close AM? Look at the bases of the “A” and “M.” If there is a perceptible gap, then it is a regular 1992 Wide AM Lincoln Cent and there is no need to look any further into the diagnostics. But if the right base of the “A” appears to be touching the left base of the “M,” you’ve landed your big circulation find. A further diagnostic shows designer Frank Gasparro’s “FG” initials closer to the right side of the Lincoln Memorial building than usual. Amazingly, relatively few collectors know of or think to look for this variety on their 1992 Lincoln Cents, meaning this rarity is ripe for the picking. Why Was the 1992 Close AM Cent Struck? The reverse die with of the Close AM variety was intended to be used for striking circulation-strike Lincoln Cents beginning in 1993. We may never know the full story as to how these 1992 and 1992-D Close AM Lincoln Cents were distributed into circulation, but these were most likely the result of test strikes in late 1992 conducted to determine how well the new reverse die would work out. Of course, such a step is necessary before producing all the dies necessary for coining 1993 Lincoln Cents – the latter a costly and time-consuming affair. While the Close AM format became par for the course on circulation strikes beginning in 1993, the United States Mint continued using the Wide AM reverse die for producing proof Lincoln Cents. Of course, further mistakes occurred with the pairing of Close AM and Wide AM dies down the pike, and this can be seen in the parade of Wide AM business-strike Lincoln Cents that were produced for circulation but apparently employing reverse dies intended for proofs. How Much Are the 1992 Close AM Cents Worth? Let there be no mistake, the 1992 and 1992-D Close AM Lincoln Cents are well worth one’s while to look for. Both are extremely rare coins, though the 1992-D appears to be relatively more common than the 1992 examples hailing from Philly. Circulated examples of both coins trade for thousands of dollars, with the 1992 taking $2,500 in AU55BN and the 1992-D fetching $2,100 in the same grade. Prices only climb from there, with the Philadelphia piece valued at $7,000 in MS63RD and the Denver specimen going for $3,750 at that level. The record prices for both these varieties take bidders into five-figure territory, which is not surprising given the slim number of examples known across the board. PCGS has graded fewer than 20 examples of the 1992 Close AM across all grades and color designations (BN, RB, and RD), while 75 specimens of the 1992-D have crossed the company’s grading desks into holders. A stellar example of the 1992 grading PCGS MS67RD commanded $25,850 in a 2017 Heritage Auctions event. Meanwhile, a 1992-D graded PCGS MS65RD realized $14,100 in a 2014 Heritage Auctions sale. Keep searching, but keep yer feet on the ground.

Hiya, you have consulted a multitude of experts and have been provided the same answer unanimously. At this juncture, the only recourse you have is to spend $50-75 and get it graded and certified as CAM. Please let us know how it turns out. The below pic is from PCGS, it looks a bit closer than your coin. Good luck!

It kinda looks like Jeff got muzzled shortly before being pancaked

So, when does the Mint disperse current year coinage to the masses?

I will take note of that, thanks!

6 hrs. in, the suspense is killin' me. Lost in translation? . . . or more to come?. . .

I am sorry, but I can't answer that for you. We will await the smart guys to chime in. You may not want to crack out a coin if it has been authenticated, not until you know exactly what your going to do with the coin. Better to err on the side of caution. Allows you to have additional options.