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It i all about spending a little time and effort, better accomplished from a computer, not a phone. Here is an example of a decently high quality image at only 1.3mb: (Courtesy of PCGS) Reverse: (1.2mb)

I gotta say the name is catchy... I can't stop thinking about bacon.

Blackheads or many moles. The photos provided are a bit blurry. Release the shake-n-bake and brace for impact! WE will get to the bottom of the caper!

Thank you for the example. My simple mind likes pretty pictures to to aid in the illustration of clarification.

I am intrigued, inauthentic just seems inappropriate as a descriptor for coins. VKurtB, would you have an example in mind?

What is the legitimate site to purchase the Krause pdf files?

Found this on Amazon. {The token money of the Bank of England, 1797 to 1816} Paperback – August 1, 2019 14 bucks to answer the $64,000 question. . . maybe?. . . hopefully!

There were many bank tokens issued in England during the early 1800's due to various war efforts. I cannot tell you that your "token" is authentic, but I can assume that NGC would not legitimize a counterfeit coin with a KM#. I would contact NGC. Hopefully, "Ask NGC" might be able to assist with this endeavor.

Just trying to see the pot o' gold through the rainbow...

There is a bit of nasty blocking the view, but sweet dreams are made of these. . .

NGC seems to aware of the coins' existence:

Hiya, this isn't much and you already may have found it... DOLLARS OR BANK TOKENS. https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1811/mar/21/dollars-or-bank-tokens HL Deb 21 March 1811 vol 19 cc445-7 445 § Lord Grenville said he should beg leave, before their lordships proceeded to the order of the day, to call their attention to a circumstance which appeared to him of the utmost importance. What he was about to advert to, every man was acquainted with, namely, the Directors of the Bank of England having taken upon themselves to exercise the highest prerogative of the sovereign, not less than to raise the denomination of the current coin of the realm, and by the advice of a Committee of the King's privy council. He confessed that all the ideas he had formed of the monarchy under which we lived, and even all his ideas of the parliamentary constitution of the country, were erroneous, if the measure to which he alluded were justifiable. It was further to be considered, that these steps were taken without even referring to or consulting parliament; and this too at a moment when the House of Commons was actually engaged in the consideration of the subject. He proposed to move for a copy of the Resolution of the Directors, in order to bring the facts of the case regularly under the purview of the House, and to enable their lordships to form their opinions, not only upon the particular measure, but upon the great subject con- 446 nected with it. It must be plain that the monied circulation of the country was unconstitutionally interfered with, when such steps were taken to increase its denomination. He was aware of the wretched quibble attempted to be interposed; he meant that the Dollars in universal circulation as coin, would, by noble lords opposite, be regarded, on this occasion, not as the current coin of the realm, but merely as Bank tokens; but this was a subterfuge which he trusted would not be attended to in the consideration of this most important business. His lordship concluded by moving for the production of a copy of the Resolution of the Governor and Directors of the Bank of England, for raising the denomination of Bank Tokens, or Dollars, now in circulation, &c.—On the question being put, § Earl Bathurst expressed his satisfaction at the subject being brought forward, as no persons could be more anxious for its investigation than the members of his Majesty's government, who readily took ail the responsibility on themselves. With respect to one pointed remark of his noble friend, he must observe, that any man must plainly see the difference between the regular current coin of the realm, issued by his Majesty, and the Tokens of the Bank, which were only to be regarded in the same light as Bank-notes. He must take that opportunity to protest against any conclusion drawn from this measure, as to the depreciation of Bank paper; all that could be inferred from the transaction, was a rise in the price of silver. This might be attributed to various causes, especially, perhaps, to an increased demand for that precious metal, but it could, by no means, be attributed to any depreciation of the notes issued by the Bank. The Earl of Lauderdale entertained a different opinion upon the subject, and referred to some instances in history, where, in cases nearly similar, such transactions were held to involve a depreciation of the paper currency. He coincided with his noble friend, with respect to the identity of the dollars so circulated with the current coin of the realm. Such a miserable attempt at distinction, was, he observed, amply refuted by Locke, and other intelligent writers upon the subject. § Lord Grenville , in reply, observed, that the time would come when the Bank Directors would have to answer for their conduct with respect to other matters, as well as that in question; but in the pre- 447 sent instance, the King's government, by their conduct in the transaction, were to be considered as parties, as they lent their advice and authority to the Bank Directors; and the coin alluded to, it appeared, was also circulated under the authority of his Majesty's government. Earl Buthurst , in explanation, denied the inference, that his Majesty's government had declared them a legal tender. § Lord Ellenborough took occasion to observe, that such a step was not regularly in the power of ministers. By the law and the constitution, that power was vested elsewhere. The Earl of Ross made some observations with respect to the state of the paper currency, particularly in Ireland, where it was in far more favourable a state than some noble lords seemed to think. The issues of the Bank of Ireland had narrowed considerably since the investigation took place; the state of the exchange with Ireland was improved; and the difference between a guinea and Bank paper was, in that country lately, only four-pence. The Earl of Lauderdale adverted to the causes of the improved state of the Bank of Ireland currency, as alluded to by the noble earl; it was principally to be attributed to the great reduction of the issue of Bank of Ireland notes, which took place soon after the inquiry. § Earl Stanhope entertained similar sentiments with noble lords on his side of the House, respecting the recent conduct of the bank directors. He reprobated it as a transaction of which the foulest advantages might be made, in case of the directors having given private notice to their friends of their intention to raise the price of dollars upon such a day. There had been cases as bad. It was known that some individuals had by some means extricated certain secrets from Mr. Pitt, when at the head of affairs, and by means of such secrets, they had acquired large properties. The motion was then agreed to, as was also a motion for an Address to the Prince Regent, praying, That copies of the correspondence between his Majesty's government and the Bank of England, on the occasion in question, be laid before the House.

It is imperative to look before you leap. I have been on this site for about a year and a half. I spent over a month reading lots of topics in the Newbie/World threads before I even started posting. This site is a comprehensive location for information and many members provide additional references and quite accurate assessments of coins you have questions about. Coin collecting can be (and usually is) a very expensive hobby. As with every hobby. It is a life-long journey with no shortcuts or "easy buttons." There are members here that have 50+ years of experience and they provide that experience to those willing to accept it. Online resources can help, as long as you don't watch You-tube or any other cheese-ball hack trying to tell you about the latest-greatest error found in a couch. NGC & PCGS websites have thorough information. There are books abound that will aid in your education. There are a couple of authors on this site that have multiple books on coins. I would suggest to every new-to-numismatics person. Stop buying coins and do not submit coins to be graded. First, look at what the hobby has to offer. Find out what interests you. While you are finding that out, read the thousands upon thousands of posts on this site. You will learn more than you think by just reading these posts. I also recommend you check these resources out: Lastly, I will state that the harsh lesson of submitting "cleaned" coins is one that needs to resonate within you every time you consider getting a coin graded. For those collectors willing, getting your first "body bag" coin is an unfortunate rite of passage in the numismatic world. In the future, post it on the "newbie" chat and get opinions before you do anything else. P.S. - even "cleaned" coins sell, obviously not at a premium, but there are collectors for literally everything in life. Good luck & Post it first!

I think the silver color is exposed zinc due to copper plating issues. Very common for zinc (82 - Curr.) pennies to experience split plating.

Hi and welcome. Unfortunately, all coins you posted are of the large variety. There was a "copper" LARGE 82d at 3.11g and a "zinc" LARGE 82d at 2.6g (or around that). The small date will look noticeably smaller. LARGE: SMALL: . Focus on the distance of the 2 from the rim.

So, is it God or the Devil in the details?...Maybe just dimensions. Measure twice, cut once.

Always, but sadly I gravitate to broken toys. Funny enough, I had no idea this coin existed about two weeks ago. I like that I learn something new every day.

Henri, methinks you doth protest too much sir. Don't worry about it. I will probably purchase this set eventually. . .or you can for me. . . That way, I can learn to dot dot dash dash dot dash dash dot dot dot ._.. _ _ _ ._..

groovy, thanks!

I'm looking at this coin and I cannot tell whether or not if the impacted areas are legitimate?

I like it! The doubling is clear and the damage is not as much of a distraction as I figured it should be.

(System Of A) DOWN with "da MAN"!

Hey Captain Murder, where is Sargent Slaughter?

The coin is from my fathers' collection and he is selling his stuff off. I doubt he would have any preference for a coin he probably got in change/roll. As far as getting it graded... Does the the coin look cleaned? Would the rot make it "environmental/details"? Which grading company will attribute it is "Far 2" And finally. . . what would you all imagine the best grade it would get? PS: If I go the graded route, I will then have to ask a ton of other questions

That is awesome! It looks like a VF level grade, I don't think it has enough detail for EF. Would it be worth grading?