MarkFeld

Look at 1909 and 1910 Proof gold coins and you’ll know what “Roman” looks like. They’re not brilliant in the traditional sense but they are highly vibrant and glow. And they look different from 1936 Satin Proof cents and nickels.

Are you asking about the difference - granular vs. lack of texturing - between Matte and Satin Proof cents and nickels, Proof gold or both groups of coins?

The terminology seems to give an indication of what the coins look like. How is it false, misleading, inaccurate and confusing?

To "eye appeal", I'd certainly add quality and originality.

Whatever you think of it, that's the way the large majority of numismatists refer to such coins.

Please use the term "sandblast" rather than "matte" or this thread's originator might (sand)blast you. If Mr. Koessl collected other types of coins, I'm unaware of it. But either way, not all of his Proof gold coins are either of the above - the ones dated 1909 and 1910 are typically referred to as "Roman Gold" or "Satin".

I first had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Koessl when I worked for David Hall, more than 30 years ago. In the ensuing years, I occasionally saw him at shows, viewed/assessed a small number of coins for him and spoke to him on the phone. Two things have always struck me about him: 1) He is easily among the most dedicated, particular and focused collectors I've ever met and 2) He is a most gracious gentleman. I'd love to be able to view his complete (former) set and I congratulate both him and the new owner.

Considering that jimbo27 said he’s “in the process of buying this coin” and that it’s in a holder, I seriously doubt that he’s tried to remove the “splotch”. And there are plenty of very nice examples available for that date, so it wouldn’t make sense to buy that one, if the plan were to spend additional money to have it conserved.

I suggest checking recently completed sales, too, as they might be far more indicative of actual values.

I’ll guess MS65, due primarily to what appears to be subdued luster (and the stain? to the left of the eagle’s left facing wing).

Do you have any other alternatives for raising the funds? The worst time to sell tends to be when you’re in a big hurry, like you are.

Thank you.

I didn’t post with the idea of encouraging others to make similar reports. However, I’d still like to see you back up your comment by posting the provision you’re speaking of. If you can’t or won’t, I’m going to operate under the belief that either you misconstrued it or are full of bologna.

Businesses aren’t excluded from being plaintiffs in libel suits and the Mint wasn’t the only party mentioned.

As you said, it’s the moderator’s call, but I have no idea what part of a libel test you think hasn’t been met.

The thread title sounds libelous to me, so I will be reporting the post.

I didn't know of those information cards and think they're pretty darned cool! Thank you.

Your post notwithstanding, many coins are sold, but not “gone”. In fact, a fair number of them reappear reasonably quickly. My point was that you likely have no idea whether the discussion coin is “gone”. And neither do I, so I wouldn’t make a declaration about it.

Oh, so you know for a fact that whoever bought the coin is going to put it away and never sell it or even show it to anyone?

That occurs far from “Only on eBay usually”. Many sellers have coins listed at what appear to be (or are) very aggressive prices. Among other reasons, it can be due to greed, expectations that would-be buyers will counter-offer (regardless of what pice the item is listed at), a superior quality example, trying to break even, after having paid more than current market value or expectation of rising prices.

The designation, if merited, shouldn't require a “variety plus” submission.

The poster asked about the best way to sell them - as a group or individually. When he acquired the coins and what he paid for them should be largely, if not completely irrelevant to the advice he’s given.

Odds are incredibly small that you could do nearly as well selling the set intact. Due to preferences of potential buyers regarding date, condition, appearance and price, many might pay a good price for one coin or a small number of them, but have little or no interest in the others. And trading the set for a fair price would likely be extremely difficult. You would be much better off selling the coins individually, or in small groups.

“Gone” is ambiguous. The listing indicates that the coin was sold, as opposed to eBay having removed the listing. And the seller’s feedback is terrible: https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/francdon5?filter=feedback_page%3ARECEIVED_AS_SELLER&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2560

Thanks very much.