MarkFeld

So much for being a man of your word about abandoning this thread and the sincerity of your apology. I was happy for you when you were reinstated, but you’ve since caused me to believe that it was probably undeserved.

I agree. I used the word "patina" in an email earlier today and see and use that word, as well as "verdigris", more than occasionally.

I’m not a “material scientist” but can tell you that the coins you posted are extremely common examples with a value of roughly $20-$25 each.

Melt value is roughly $15 per coin, so I’m hoping you meant that the coins are worth approximately 50% over melt, not 5%.

The images provided make it appear that the coin didn't merit the Full Steps designation and NGC saw it in hand and reached the same conclusion. My guess is that if a full steps example traded on par with a non full steps example, this thread wouldn't have been started. In other words, the prospect of a significant increase in value can cloud our objectivity about whether a coin deserved better.

So contact them again and try to be patient and civil. The fact that you’re already talking about seeking damages through an attorney, gives an indication that you’re being far from patient or understanding.

It sounds like you’re saying that NGC shipped your order to you via FedEx. If that’s the case, as the sender, NGC is the one to file the claim - in their case, with their private insurance carrier. You should have already been in contact with NGC about this.

The coin looks like a lightly cleaned XF example. Even if if would straight grade, I think it would be a waste of money to submit it.

It’s unlikely he will be banned from that forum.😉

Perhaps you weren't aware that they were associated because they aren't.

There are fully mirrored Proof coins from roughly 100 years before the dates you mentioned (“1930’s or 1940’s”). And that includes a small number of gold coins.

My guess is that he meant to write “AG”, not “AU” details. Regardless, none of this thread’s participants have suggested anything along the lines of what you mentioned. So please chill out.

Just the grading (without conservation) would probably be more than the value of the coin, unless you have a multiple coin economy submission. Even then, I don't think it would be merited.

I can't imagine that the coin could be worth the cost of conservation and grading.

Maybe you should check it out and stop selling it short. https://www.thetyrantcollection.com https://www.money.org/tyrant-collection

In this case, saying only that his claim to fame is “lots of high-end coins” is still a gross understatement of the nature of his collection and the care he has taken with it.

Just because the quarter was stickered by CAC doesn’t mean they’d have any interest in buying it. They sticker coins when they feel it’s deserved, not because they’d like to buy them. And I’ve never seen CAC post bids on that type and grade of coin. The above doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t buy it, but it’s incorrect to think they’d be interested in doing so, just because they stickered it.

You might not be able to see the effect I mentioned if you’re viewing images and not the coins. ”Messed with” = doctored, dipped, etc.

For those of you who aren’t real familiar with 1908-1915 Proof gold coins - in addition to their beauty, original examples of each year offer their own distinct color/appearance/texture. My personal favorite is 1911, which typically displays - as I have seen it described - “crystalline, nearly diamond-like facets”. Numismatists who have examined enough original survivors of each year can determine the date of the coin, just by looking at the reverse. Sadly, so many of these coins have been messed with over the years, that a lot of them have lost their distinctive appearance. That makes Mr. Koessl’s set all the more special.

“The terminology seems to give an indication of what the coins look like. How is it false, misleading, inaccurate and confusing?” I guess you didn’t care to answer my above question regarding your disdain for the term “Roman”. On top of that, throwing out insults like “foolish” and “degrading” certainly doesn’t do much to invite or further a conversation. I tried to do that from my end, with an open mind.But you have reminded me why I’d given up on trying to engage with you, previously. Lesson learned (again).

If the coin’s nice, that seems like a reasonable price. That said, it doesn’t sound cheaper than most 65’s. With a quick search, I found seven different PCGS and NGC MS65’s that were auctioned since May and which brought between $180 and $228, each. Above all, I hope you like and enjoy the coin.

I’m extremely impressed that you could reach such a conclusion without having any idea what the coin cost. That does make a difference in most cases.

Which photo most closely resembles the reverse “splotch”? It doesn’t really show in the last one.

I just checked and based on the lot offerings, I’ll have the opportunity to look (at our August 22-28 sale sale) and compare some of the coins we’ve been discussing. I’m guessing I’ll be able to do so sometime the week after next.

They do to me. That said, maybe if I sat down with a couple examples of each and compared them I’d have a different answer. If/when I can do that, I’ll do so and report back.