GoldFinger1969

What year, grade, and price range was it ? I know you've been looking, fingers crossed.

Which the government also said was illegal, and they threw coin collectors in jail, until someone informed the clowns that their own Treasury had approved the transaction decades ago. Because aside from that, the government NEVER makes mistakes.

Nah, it's not lost...that's what these message forums are for !!! At least if you back-them-up as I have urged in case a key thread or the site ever goes down or information is accidentally/purposely deleted. The Omega Counterfeit Mafia Thread over ATS is a lesson nobody should forget. I love this idea. Should make for a GREAT debate and would probably be of interest to the ANA or FUN crowd.

Ummm....they think the government is WRONG ? Has nothing to do with democracy, has to do with whether you think the stronger arguments were with one side or the other. Even if you believe BOTH SIDES cases had merit and their arguments were both true (or partially true), you might feel a settlement/split was fair or that one side had stronger arguments.

Don't forget that there are other coins with similar pedigrees and dubious release histories similar to the 1933 Double Eagle. While nothing has happened with them....and while multiple transactions have taken place...the FDR EO and actual statements by Treasury/Mint officials that they should or could be seized probably resonates with hardcore goldbugs and collectors. Myself, I see the differences in the 2 cases but you can also draw a not-so-straight line between the various possessions.

I grew up with a Tristram !! And wasn't that the full name of Tris Speaker, the baseball player of the early-1900's ?

But you HATE gold, all other things aside. And no, I have no particular interest in the outcome. I own no 1933 Double Eagles -- at least I don't think so... let me check my loose chain jar. As for the show of hands.....I am not surprised. Most coin collectors never accepted the government's arguments, and my reading of threads on multiple sites showed that this was without regard to political party affiliation or ideology. I would say at LEAST 80% of posters opposed the government's actions, and it may have been as high as 90 or 95%. As for why nobody opposed you, they probably weren't comfortable on the minutae of the case, the legal arguments, past cases, etc. I'm not a lawyer like you but I am (or was, at one time ) pretty up-to-date on the rationale and arguments for a settlement or continued possession of the coins. I'd certainly have debated you at that show. I might not have WON the argument on the merits, but I think I would have held my own.

No, he shouldn't.

Crypto and BitCoin ? LOTS more controversial items in finance over the decades, IMO !

That's no excuse. He should make an effort to post.

Yes, and that exogenous demand factor has abated...but prices are sticky to the downside. The premiums could last for years -- or longer -- so if you see something you like, you may just have to pay up.

Is Dean Wormer a moderator here ?

5 hours isn't bad to go to see FUN. I am in the NY area and it's an 18-hour drive or flight.

And what if Nachbar took quesions on some forum somewhere or responded in posts ? You wouldn't get that information from his book....or an appearance...but from the internet.

How about both ? Do you know how much knowledge there is on forums like these, especially for niche investors in certain coins ? How many book authors comment dozens of times in response to readers questions, comments, etc.....as Roger himseld did in the RWB Saints Book thread ?

At best, The Red Book has prices that are in the ballpark. Under no circumstances should anybody use them over recent auction prices going back a few months or so.

I wonder if it is possible -- or will be, in the future -- to just get printouts or articles from The Numismatist on certain coins or events. That way you can trace history for a narrowly defined interest.

The GFC was definitely one, nobody saw The Reserve Fund breaking the buck because of a Lehman bankruptcy. You had savvy bond guys at PIMCO telling their wives to get as much cash as they could from the ATM. The global financial system almost had a heart attack. I'd call Covid-19 another Black Swan. Down 35% in 6 weeks is alot.

Are you that guy I passed a few weeks ago sleeping in that big refrigerator box ? Jeez....$220....for anything larger than a closet, you have a steal. Obviously, a post-WW II rent controlled/stabilized unit that is either owned by the city or a landlord is losing a ton of money on.

It's good to have them as reference sources, since unlike financial data and information, pricing data and little tidbits about certain coins can get lost over time. For me, there aren't tons of books on Saints or Double Eagles so I have all of the recent ones including Roger's. But I find even the dated Bowers and Akers/Ambio books very useful with good information, even if alot of the information has been superceded.

WRITING covered calls is one thing....puts is another thing. You always have to know your downside even if it's a 1 in 1,000 event. Because they tend to happen more frequently than that.

Would a chapter or picture-by-picture on gold arriving at the mint to how it is finally struck and then comes off the conveyor belt be something adding value ? I know I feel like started watching in the middle of the movie by having to pick up terms like collars....planchet....metal press.....edge lettering....reeding....fields vs. devices....tonnage striking pressure vs. relief/details....etc. Maybe some of this is basic beginner Coins 101, but I've basically had to learn it all on the fly. Would be helpful to have a picture-by-picture with a short explanation. Probably alone in that sentiment but thought I'd post it.

I'm not sure how active we are in total compared to PCGS and CT....but we have some unique threads like the RWB Saints Book Thread which for anyone interested in Saints or a collector should be a "must" visit thread. But even at the other locations, you don't see that much activity on Saints or Double Eagles. Every now and then, a thread is "hot" -- like when Roy Langbord was over ATS posting on the legal rangling with the 1933 DEs. Or following a sale of the legal 1933 purchased by our friend EC. With all the various coin collectors for Saints -- and for other coins -- you would think the viewing and posting traffic would be alot higher. But maybe coin collectors are not used to or inclined to view/post ?

Reading some of the letters on that CNBC Celsius bankruptcy....I feel for the people, but they allowed themselves to be lied to. The same people who research a new HDTV or microwave oven or automobile for weeks or months, decided to invest tens of thousands of dollars or even more based on 10 minutes of slick promotional marketing materials. It was RIGHT THERE in front of them, like a "bank" which says "HEY, WE DON'T HAVE FDIC INSURANCE SO CAVEAT EMPTOR."

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