Finally got my 1921 D Morgan Dollar 1 1

[Mr.Bill347]

I got it as a raw coin, and comparing it to Photograde, it appears to be MS 61-63? Also quite a few die breaks indicating maybe a VAM variety, But after searching through 1921 D on Vam World, I can see some markers but doesn't seem to match known varieties. Any help with the grade or the VAM determination?

[bsshog40]

Same problem I ran in to on my 22' Peace Dollar. Soo many vams! Best thing is just look for the prominent die markers and start narrowing down from there. The 21's had tons of die cracks so that may not be the best way to find the right vam. 

[bsshog40]

Post is duping! Lol

Edited February 18, 2023 by bsshog40

[Sandon]

   Based on your photos, the coin appears to have been "cleaned", with extensive obverse hairlining and a "washed out" appearance.  In my opinion, it probably wouldn't be numerically graded.

  Die breaks or cracks are die states, rather than die varieties, so VAM varieties aren't usually determined by their presence.  There are some exceptions, such as the 1888-O "Scarface" Morgan dollar.

[Mr.Bill347]

Thanks Sandon. I wasn’t going to send it in, but wanted some idea of grade and variety. I did see the hairlines and of course the seller posted a fuzzy picture. But no problem I was just wanting one of each Morgan mint for the set. It only cost me $40 so no big deal. Thanks for looking. You too Bsshog!

[J P M]

Hey Bill. That 1921 looks like the coin I use for the kids to hold. I paid $30 for mine.

[EagleRJO]

Hey Bill, that looks like an AU Details due to the cleaning scratches, and struck at an early die state of a VAM-1AE2, but which still definitively matches a good amount of the die markers.  Also, the one near the mint mark with a blue arrow appears to be a scratch.

@Mr.Bill347Btw, you are getting good at taking better coin pics which made it easier to match up die markers.  How did you take the full coin pics?

 

Edited February 19, 2023 by EagleRJO

[RWB]

The coin is EF --- not even close to being Unc.

Die cracks are common and might not be considered a die variety by VAM world people.

[powermad5000]

VAM-1AE2 is not listed in the NGC variety plus section for a 1921 D, so I don't know how widely recognized it is. I agree with Sandon and believe the coin to have been cleaned. As far as details I would say if submitted the coin would return as AU Details - Cleaned as I can see wear on the hair and the top of the cap on the obverse and parts of the ribbon and eagles breast feathers on the reverse.

[powermad5000]

You can use this as a reference as for details.

[EagleRJO]

On 2/19/2023 at 3:10 PM, powermad5000 said:

You can use this as a reference as for details.

I would use the PCG$ CoinFacts for specific certified comparison coins, which has 1921-D PO1 thru 1921-D MS67+ for comparison (see the following link).  NGC doesn't have a comparable reference of I would link that.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1921-d-1/images/7298

Also, even if NGC VarietyPlus doesn't have the VAM-1AE2, that is the one that matches spot on.  It's not a special variety so it probably doesn't matter if submitted to NGC for grading, which I wouldn't recommend doing as the coin's NGC value is only $40 for a AU, and slightly less for an XF.