Jfanth Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) If I have a double die dime that I’d like to have evaluated, what tier and service do I select? And a 1969 no initials penny? Edited May 18, 2021 by Jfantj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldhoopster Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 First, make sure they evaluate the specific variety. Here is a list. https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfanth Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, Oldhoopster said: First, make sure they evaluate the specific variety. Here is a list. https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/ Oh boy, I think I’m in over my head…. I don’t even know where to start. I can see the dime is a Roosevelt Dime and the penny is a 1969 D no “FG” 1 c MS….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 If it is not too late to post pictures, obverse and reverse, I would encourage you to do so. Grading is an expensive undertaking and finding out what you thought you had, after-the-fact, can be a real let-down. Oldhoopster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfanth Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Quintus Arrius said: If it is not too late to post pictures, obverse and reverse, I would encourage you to do so. Grading is an expensive undertaking and finding out what you thought you had, after-the-fact, can be a real let-down. I will post them later today! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldhoopster Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Quintus Arrius said: If it is not too late to post pictures, obverse and reverse, I would encourage you to do so. Grading is an expensive undertaking and finding out what you thought you had, after-the-fact, can be a real let-down. @Quintus Arrius offers an excellent suggestion. If you post clear, cropped pics, experienced members can provide you with an opinion on what you may have, and if it's worth sending for grading/attibution BTW: There are things like die deterioration and mechanical doubling that are not true doubled dies and have no added. It's much more common to find one of these, than it is to find a true Doubled die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Is this the Lincoln cent you are considering sending in? 1969 no FG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfanth Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Coinbuf said: Is this the Lincoln cent you are considering sending in? 1969 no FG Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) That is not an error, that is due to overpolishing of the die. Notice how the roof supports and Lincoln are also mostly missing. If it was grease filled, only the initials would be affected. This is common on most Memorial Lincolns and adds very little value seeing that they are so common. I think the TPG's have stopped grading them so you would be wasting your money sending it in.. That article by Mr.Bill is 9 years old . Edited May 18, 2021 by Greenstang Jfanth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 37 minutes ago, Jfantj said: Yes Ok NGC does authenticate the no FG on 1969 D cents that were lost due to over polishing of the die. However because your coin shows some remnants of the initials I think that your coin would not qualify as the initials need to missing completely. If I am correct and if that is how NGC authenticates this variety then I think that your coin would not be attributed as the no FG variety. The only way to know for sure is if @DWLange is able to comment here before you attempt to send in, if not then you would just have to roll the dice and see what happens in the grading/attribution process. I don't follow prices for these so I cannot say if there is any financial upside for an attributed no FG coin in the condition you have. Still need photos of the dime to help you on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfanth Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, Coinbuf said: Ok NGC does authenticate the no FG on 1969 D cents that were lost due to over polishing of the die. However because your coin shows some remnants of the initials I think that your coin would not qualify as the initials need to missing completely. If I am correct and if that is how NGC authenticates this variety then I think that your coin would not be attributed as the no FG variety. The only way to know for sure is if @DWLange is able to comment here before you attempt to send in, if not then you would just have to roll the dice and see what happens in the grading/attribution process. I don't follow prices for these so I cannot say if there is any financial upside for an attributed no FG coin in the condition you have. Still need photos of the dime to help you on that. Here are the dime pictures and penny ones. This is a different penny from the one I posted before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jfanth Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 The pictures are not very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 This dime is damaged. It will not grade. Jfanth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Jfantj said: Here are the dime pictures and penny ones. This is a different penny from the one I posted before. Ok so the cent you want to submit is not the one you posted in the thread I linked then? It will be very difficult for us to follow if you are not consistent. The dime looks to have some extreme die erosion doubling, not an error and not true doubling plus the damage/poor condition would preclude a straight grade imo. The photos of this second 1969-D cent are slightly out of focus and I cannot tell for sure, it seems that there is a blob where the initials go. I cannot say yes or no from these photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfanth Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, Coinbuf said: Ok so the cent you want to submit is not the one you posted in the thread I linked then? It will be very difficult for us to follow if you are not consistent. The dime looks to have some extreme die erosion doubling, not an error and not true doubling plus the damage/poor condition would preclude a straight grade imo. The photos of this second 1969-D cent are slightly out of focus and I cannot tell for sure, it seems that there is a blob where the initials go. I cannot say yes or no from these photos. The penny above is the one we were considering having looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Jfantj said: The penny above is the one we were considering having looked at. Yes but in an earlier post I asked if it was the coin in the old post I provided a link to which you said yes, then you changed it to the coin you posted in this thread. I'm not trying to make a big deal of it just pointing out that it can get confusing if your not clear on which coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfanth Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 Just now, Coinbuf said: Yes but in an earlier post I asked if it was the coin in the old post I provided a link to which you said yes, then you changed it to the coin you posted in this thread. I'm not trying to make a big deal of it just pointing out that it can get confusing if your not clear on which coin. I apologize. Yes, that is confusing. We had two 1969 pennies one looks like the letters are barely there and the ones above I just added to this thread are new. Sorry. I’m new to all of this. Should I post the new penny pictures on a new thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Just now, Jfantj said: I apologize. Yes, that is confusing. We had two 1969 pennies one looks like the letters are barely there and the ones above I just added to this thread are new. Sorry. I’m new to all of this. Should I post the new penny pictures on a new thread? No worries you are fine, I was able to follow you but sometimes it can be difficult when multiple coins are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Agree with previous answers. The dime looks heat damaged. Do not submit that one for certain it will not grade and will be a total waste of money. The penny needs a clearer picture. As coinbuf said it looks like there is something where the initials should be. Especially in the zoomed out picture. Jfanth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 [As regarding the dime, a matter that was adjudicated quickly, the membership, to its credit, has already saved the OP some time, money and disappointment.] Jfanth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Oldhoopster Posted May 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) The 69D MIGHT be the FS901 variety. Some very quick checking (before my morning coffee) also found there were others that had some of the light remnants of the FG and were not FS901. You should do some more research to determine if FS lists any die markers to use for confirmation. Even if it isn't the listed FS901, it's still a cool find IMO. The Good news is NGC will grade this variety (assuming that's what you have). It looks like it costs an extra $15 on the variety plus page linked above. The bad news is that the price guide on another TPG site lists the value in circulated grades well below the cost of grading. I don't specialize in Cherrypicker varieties, so someone else may be able to provide better info or correct any errors I may have made. The dime is damaged, probably by high heat as others have said. Regardless of the cause, it's not an error. Spend it Edited May 19, 2021 by Oldhoopster Henri Charriere, JT2 and Jfanth 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
