Popular Post RWB Posted April 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 Stealing from the Mint was usually ruinious -- or worse. This fellow was fortunate. Mint, U.S. April 4, 1823 James Monroe President of the United States Sir: On the 25th of November last, one of the workingmen in the Mint (Benjamin Lenderbach), was detected in embezzling a few pieces of silver coin he was employed in striking, and in consequence, was committed, by the District Attorney, to prison where he yet remains, and awaiting his trial, which is to take place about the 11th of this month. This offence is, by an Act of Congress, passed the 2nd of April 1792, declared to be felony, and punishable with death. The above unhappy person is a young man, with a wife and two children, of reputable connexions [sic] in this city, and had been employed in the Mint about five years, without any thing being known to the officers derogatory to this character. It is believed, Sir, both by the District Attorney and the Officers of the Mint, that none of the ends of public justice would be impaired by a nolle prosequi, arising from this situation; but it is our earnest and humble request that you would have the goodness to signify to the District Attorney, that this [measure] would meet with your approbation. I have the honor to be, Sir, in behalf of the Officers of the Mint , with the greatest respect and esteem, your most obedient servant. Robert Patterson In consequence of the above, the District Attorney received from the Secretary of State, on the 14th of this month, after the grand jury had presented a bill, a letter signifying that the President approved of the measure recommended; and the prisoner was set at liberty. N.B. Benjamin Lenderbach being set at liberty, Adam Eckfeldt received from the family of the said Lenderbach $250, and from himself, of wages due him at the time of his commitment, $20 making $270; which same B. Lenderbach had said, his friends would pay to A. Eckfeldt, towards the losses that he had sustained by the said Lenderbach’s frequent embezzlements, out of this sum, however A. Eckfeldt had paid upwards of $15 for contingent expenses. UrbanDecay4, bsshog40, JT2 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 They went easy on the old boy. That would be bad to get a rope around the neck. It wouldn't be worth it to me to take that chance. Very interesting letter @RWB. I enjoy those old letters. GoldFinger1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member: Seasoned Veteran DWLange Posted April 26, 2021 Member: Seasoned Veteran Share Posted April 26, 2021 Most nations specified the death penalty for counterfeiting or stealing from the mint, but I don't know of any instance in recent centuries when this ultimate punishment was actually undertaken, at least not in the western world. It's pretty much a hollow threat. Alex in PA. and Hoghead515 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RWB Posted April 26, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 Colorado permits use of a firing squad for counterfeiting. Hoghead515, Alex in PA. and EdG_Ohio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldFinger1969 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Now THAT's stealing....not exchanging coins based on year and/or mint mark. Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Just the threat of it would be enough to deter me from it. Which I wouldn't steal anyways. I'm so glad I was raised better. I see several of my neighbors and people I went to school with turned into theives and no one wants them around. I'd hate for no one to want me around like that. I've also had things stolen from me and I don't have the heart to do it to any one else. Had a brand new ATV stolen from me. No insurance. Still owed $5000 on it. Had to pay it off and never did get it back. I can't stand a theif. People out working to have something and a dead beat come steal it. GoldFinger1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Hoghead515 said: Just the threat of it would be enough to deter me from it. Which I wouldn't steal anyways. I'm so glad I was raised better. I see several of my neighbors and people I went to school with turned into theives and no one wants them around. I'd hate for no one to want me around like that. I've also had things stolen from me and I don't have the heart to do it to any one else. Had a brand new ATV stolen from me. No insurance. Still owed $5000 on it. Had to pay it off and never did get it back. I can't stand a theif. People out working to have something and a dead beat come steal it. Yikes! That's terrible! One can hope for some sort of eventual "pay-back" for the thief...but that doesn't correct the monetary loss and the violation of your person and property. GoldFinger1969 and Hoghead515 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldFinger1969 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, RWB said: Yikes! That's terrible! One can hope for some sort of eventual "pay-back" for the thief...but that doesn't correct the monetary loss and the violation of your person and property. There are bad people out there, whether big timers like Bernie Madoff or local scamsters. My mother wanted some designer living room cabinets to store nick-nacks and family portraits and stuff.....very expensive, about $7,000 to build a pair....my father gave half down to someone recommended by the builder and their new neighbors....guy took the money and never did anything, his business was basically Chapter 11 and he was milking/stealing from the last people he could. Dad got a judgement against the guy FWIW but he never saw a single dollar back. Thankfully, my father has a good investment manager who made him some nice $$$ and he ate the $3,000 loss, Mom got her new cabinets, and she never had to wonder "what if" by going with the cheap ones the builder would have installed instead. Edited April 26, 2021 by GoldFinger1969 Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Hoghead515 said: They went easy on the old boy. You got that right. The fellow in question got OFF rather than the NOOSE. Edited April 26, 2021 by Alex in PA. Spelling again and again and again! Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikeOutXXX Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) David: Poor Thomas Davis would be one example in 1822. https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84024513/1823-01-06/ed-1/seq-2/#date1=1777&index=8&rows=20&words=counterfeiting+executed&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1963&proxtext=executed+for+counterfeiting&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1 and: http://genealogytrails.com/ala/tuscaloosa/news_crime.html There are 30 folks listed for being executed for Counterfeiting here: https://files.deathpenaltyinfo.org/legacy/documents/ESPYname.pdf Edited April 27, 2021 by StrikeOutXXX GoldFinger1969 and Alex in PA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, StrikeOutXXX said: David: Poor Thomas Davis would be one example in 1822. https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84024513/1823-01-06/ed-1/seq-2/#date1=1777&index=8&rows=20&words=counterfeiting+executed&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1963&proxtext=executed+for+counterfeiting&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1 and: http://genealogytrails.com/ala/tuscaloosa/news_crime.html There are 30 folks listed for being executed for Counterfeiting here: https://files.deathpenaltyinfo.org/legacy/documents/ESPYname.pdf That's a whole lot of dollars. I'm sure several were seized and destroyed but imagine how many are still out there. They made an example out of that old boy. Wonder if he got the firing squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoghead515 said: That's a whole lot of dollars. I'm sure several were seized and destroyed but imagine how many are still out there. They made an example out of that old boy. Wonder if he got the firing squad. Nevermind. Seen in other link posted he was hung. Thank you for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikeOutXXX Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Oops - 31 on the list (29 names, 2 unknowns). Let's see how this formats. Would make an interesting book researching all the death penalties for counterfeiting. Probably a side of numismatics not very often researched. Executions in the U.S. 1608-2002: The ESPY File Name (Last First) Race Age Sex Crime Method Day Month Year State Brock Nicholas Unk M Counterfeiting Hanging 1764 NY Chamberlain Richard White M Counterfeiting Hanging 25 11 1780 PA Davis Thomas White 60 M Counterfeiting Hanging 11 10 1822 AL Greden Alexandro White M Counterfeiting Hanging 15 8 1783 LA Guillermo Jones White M Counterfeiting Hanging 15 8 1783 LA Hunt Edward White M Counterfeiting Hanging 19 11 1720 PA Jackson Lowe White 24 M Counterfeiting Hanging 13 4 1753 VA Jacobs John White M Counterfeiting Hanging 21 2 1777 SC Jaeger Heinrich White 63 M Counterfeiting Hanging 16 7 1748 NJ Jillett William White M Counterfeiting Hanging 10 1752 NC Jubeart John White 68 M Counterfeiting Hanging 6 9 1769 NY Mcallister John White M Counterfeiting Hanging 3 6 1775 PA Nagle Philip Unk M Counterfeiting Hanging 8 7 1788 PA Nelms Noyle White 65 M Counterfeiting Hanging 29 9 1816 GA Patton Nathaniel White M Counterfeiting Hanging 8 12 1779 PA Repton Bernard Unk M Counterfeiting Hanging 30 4 1774 PA Reynolds David White 30 M Counterfeiting Hanging 17 9 1773 NJ Roberts James White M Counterfeiting Hanging 17 6 1780 PA Rosikrans Herman White M Counterfeiting Hanging 5 5 1770 PA Shocky Christopher White M Counterfeiting Hanging 11 12 1779 PA Smith John White M Counterfeiting Hanging 1773 NY Stevens John White M Counterfeiting Hanging 21 8 1744 NY Stewart Alexander White M Counterfeiting Hanging 3 6 1775 PA Stewart John White M Counterfeiting Hanging 27 10 1787 GA Sullivan Owen White M Counterfeiting Hanging 10 5 1756 NY Trout Henery White M Counterfeiting Hanging 8 12 1779 PA Ware John White M Counterfeiting Hanging 2 4 1773 NY Westmore Charles White M Counterfeiting Hanging 27 10 1787 GA Yager Hendrick White M Counterfeiting Hanging 1772 NY Unk Unk M Counterfeiting Hanging 2 4 1773 NY Unk White M Counterfeiting Hanging 2 4 1773 NY Hoghead515 and Alex in PA. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 Wow! That's quite a list. Sounds like StrkieoutXXX has the beginnings of an interesting numismatic article! [Several defalcations are mentioned in From Mine to Mint (near the back), but no conviction resulting in execution of the guilty party. A few got away with their loot. Most were put in jail.] Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I think that would make me think twice about dropping a coin in my pocket also. Lol Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 41 minutes ago, bsshog40 said: I think that would make me think twice about dropping a coin in my pocket also. Lol Me to. I'd be afraid to pack my own money from home with me. Lol. Be afraid they think it was theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 They should have lined all the mint workers up and made them watch the executions and that would have probably deterred it more. That would be enough to keep an honest man honest. Would me anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldFinger1969 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Today they have super-sensitive scanners at the various mints that makes it impossible to even steal a few gold shavings that fall on the floor. Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member: Seasoned Veteran DWLange Posted April 27, 2021 Member: Seasoned Veteran Share Posted April 27, 2021 All of the listings were likely state convictions, which tend to be more punitive than federal ones. I suspect that all or most were for counterfeiting state notes, which were way too easy to fake or alter. GoldFinger1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 If you notice there weren't any women hung. Wonder how many were in on it with their husband's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hoghead515 said: If you notice there weren't any women hung. Wonder how many were in on it with their husband's. Three women in this gang. The Ingersol Gang specialized in nickels - most commonly used coin in America due to railroad (transit) fares. Edited April 27, 2021 by RWB Alex in PA. and Hoghead515 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StrikeOutXXX Posted April 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2021 I found most of the 31 with some Googling. Most were currency, and given most of the dates, even the coin related ones weren't US Coinage: Brock, Nicholas: 18 years old. Passed a single $1 counterfeit bill. Skeleton kept on display in Dr. Office (Article in the middle just under the flag) https://gahistoricnewspapers-files.galileo.usg.edu/lccn/sn86053071/1854-08-01/ed-1/seq-1.pdf Chamberlain, Richard: 100 Continental Dollars from Chamberlain’s press http://www.executedtoday.com/2008/11/25/1780-david-dawson-ralph-morden-quakers-treason/ Davis, Thomas: 38 Years counterfeiting State Bank Notes between 600,000 and 1,000,000 dollars https://algenweb.org/shelby/AlabamaCounterfeiters.pdf Greden, Alexandro (Alexander) and Guillermo, Jones (William): Several 10, 2.5, 2 and 1 Peso notes https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/217386534.pdf Hunt, Edward: Counterfeiting Spanish silver coin http://www.executedtoday.com/2013/11/19/1720-edward-hunt-counterfeiter-colonial-pennsylvania/ Jackson, Lowe: Silversmith made Spanish doubloons https://research.colonialwilliamsburg.org/Foundation/journal/Summer07/counterfeit_sidebar.cfm Jacobs, John: Issuing counterfeit money https://books.google.com/books?id=N7cmoZiEmy8C&pg=PA568&lpg=PA568&dq=john+jacobs+1777+counterfeit&source=bl&ots=HQeNQABu4M&sig=ACfU3U0UYWbXJV35cXBkIzyZM3_gTlDn0w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjFmqbT3Z7wAhXQmOAKHQCaC9AQ6AEwEnoECBIQAw#v=onepage&q=john%20jacobs%201777%20counterfeit&f=false Jaeger, Heinrich: Made 40 Shillings, passed 15 Shillings http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan49620 Jillett, William: Blacksmith, made making Doubloons, Pistoles, Pieces of Eight and half Pistereens https://www.executedtoday.com/tag/william-jillet/ Jubeart, John: Blacksmith, Die struck, milled edges pillar dollars (1763 1761) http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan85824 Mcallister, John: Counterfeiting the Bills of Credit of the Providence (Pennsylvania) https://books.google.com/books?id=qLQUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA256&lpg=PA256&dq=Mcallister+John+1775+counterfeit+PA&source=bl&ots=FpEG2azR3U&sig=ACfU3U1agsZbP27x-z8D7lc8BRlMw6UW7g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJt6j8x5_wAhVmGVkFHVg7BVAQ6AEwD3oECBIQAw#v=onepage&q=Mcallister%20John%201775%20counterfeit%20PA&f=false Nagle, Philip: Uttering base and counterfeited coin https://books.google.com/books?id=xKo-AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA476&lpg=PA476&dq=Philip+Nagle+1788+PA+hanged&source=bl&ots=VcD01UANA6&sig=ACfU3U1YZEv5U40aC6eGGWcSUQZwlSyy_Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjX67DWyZ_wAhViTd8KHZb6AgAQ6AEwBHoECAEQAw#v=onepage&q=nagle&f=false Nelms, Noyle: passing counterfeit bills on the State Bank of South Caroline https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Nelms-34 Patton, Nathaniel: Passing counterfeit money https://cdn.website-editor.net/020d9c979f77483189db333592c7de7f/files/uploaded/Colonial%2520Records%2520of%2520Pennsylvania%2520Vol%2520XII.pdf Repton, Bernard: for Counterfeiting the Bills of Credit of this Province (Pennsylvania) http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan119745 Reynolds, David: counterfeiting currency for the colonies of New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New York https://www.revolutionarywarnewjersey.com/new_jersey_revolutionary_war_sites/towns/hampton_nj_revolutionary_war_sites.htm Roberts, James: Passing counterfeit money and knowing it to be such https://books.google.com/books?id=Rqk-AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA375&lpg=PA375&dq=%22james+roberts%22+1780+counterfeit&source=bl&ots=DkhksDPIim&sig=ACfU3U0o0gJMkutW2bKY4Wr3Cdr1jIlOmw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjxqdmNz5_wAhUAFFkFHdNQAWQQ6AEwBnoECAkQAw#v=onepage&q=%22james%20roberts%22%20&f=false Rosikrans, Herman: Counterfeiting the $3 Paper Bills of Credit and passed 2 of them knowing to be fake https://books.google.com/books?id=3xxEAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA666&lpg=PA666&dq=Rosikrans,+Herman+counterfeit&source=bl&ots=8H6cH0erPo&sig=ACfU3U2gKQfdlvJUVHF_xV4Ape2_K33prA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbg4zIz5_wAhUKMVkFHT2KCV8Q6AEwAnoECAIQAw#v=onepage&q=Rosikrans%2C%20Herman%20counterfeit&f=false Shocky, Christopher (Shockey): Counterfeit Virginia money https://www.krishocker.com/shockeys-counterfeit-currency/ Smith, John: Counterfeiting the currency of the province of New York https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2018/04/18th-century-warning-tis-death-to-counterfeit/ Stevens, John: Counterfeiting paper currency of New York http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan85824 Stewart, Alexander (Andrew): Counterfeiting and uttering the Fifty Shilling Bills of the Province of Pennsylvana http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan119745 Stewart, John: ? Sullivan, Owen (Syllavan): counterfeiting and passing the current bills of that colony emitted in the year 1737 https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=evans;idno=N06140.0001.001 Trout, Henery (Henry): Passing counterfeit money https://cdn.website-editor.net/020d9c979f77483189db333592c7de7f/files/uploaded/Colonial%20Records%20of%20Pennsylvania%20Vol%20XII.pdf Ware, John ? Westmore, Charles ? Yager, Hendrick? Unk & Unk: ISAAC JONES AND HIS GANG http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan72127 I think the saddest of them all was Nicholas Brock. 18 years old, and passed a single dollar. Hoghead515, bsshog40 and Alex in PA. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hoghead515 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 9 hours ago, StrikeOutXXX said: I found most of the 31 with some Googling. Most were currency, and given most of the dates, even the coin related ones weren't US Coinage: Brock, Nicholas: 18 years old. Passed a single $1 counterfeit bill. Skeleton kept on display in Dr. Office (Article in the middle just under the flag) https://gahistoricnewspapers-files.galileo.usg.edu/lccn/sn86053071/1854-08-01/ed-1/seq-1.pdf Chamberlain, Richard: 100 Continental Dollars from Chamberlain’s press http://www.executedtoday.com/2008/11/25/1780-david-dawson-ralph-morden-quakers-treason/ Davis, Thomas: 38 Years counterfeiting State Bank Notes between 600,000 and 1,000,000 dollars https://algenweb.org/shelby/AlabamaCounterfeiters.pdf Greden, Alexandro (Alexander) and Guillermo, Jones (William): Several 10, 2.5, 2 and 1 Peso notes https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/217386534.pdf Hunt, Edward: Counterfeiting Spanish silver coin http://www.executedtoday.com/2013/11/19/1720-edward-hunt-counterfeiter-colonial-pennsylvania/ Jackson, Lowe: Silversmith made Spanish doubloons https://research.colonialwilliamsburg.org/Foundation/journal/Summer07/counterfeit_sidebar.cfm Jacobs, John: Issuing counterfeit money https://books.google.com/books?id=N7cmoZiEmy8C&pg=PA568&lpg=PA568&dq=john+jacobs+1777+counterfeit&source=bl&ots=HQeNQABu4M&sig=ACfU3U0UYWbXJV35cXBkIzyZM3_gTlDn0w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjFmqbT3Z7wAhXQmOAKHQCaC9AQ6AEwEnoECBIQAw#v=onepage&q=john%20jacobs%201777%20counterfeit&f=false Jaeger, Heinrich: Made 40 Shillings, passed 15 Shillings http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan49620 Jillett, William: Blacksmith, made making Doubloons, Pistoles, Pieces of Eight and half Pistereens https://www.executedtoday.com/tag/william-jillet/ Jubeart, John: Blacksmith, Die struck, milled edges pillar dollars (1763 1761) http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan85824 Mcallister, John: Counterfeiting the Bills of Credit of the Providence (Pennsylvania) https://books.google.com/books?id=qLQUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA256&lpg=PA256&dq=Mcallister+John+1775+counterfeit+PA&source=bl&ots=FpEG2azR3U&sig=ACfU3U1agsZbP27x-z8D7lc8BRlMw6UW7g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJt6j8x5_wAhVmGVkFHVg7BVAQ6AEwD3oECBIQAw#v=onepage&q=Mcallister%20John%201775%20counterfeit%20PA&f=false Nagle, Philip: Uttering base and counterfeited coin https://books.google.com/books?id=xKo-AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA476&lpg=PA476&dq=Philip+Nagle+1788+PA+hanged&source=bl&ots=VcD01UANA6&sig=ACfU3U1YZEv5U40aC6eGGWcSUQZwlSyy_Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjX67DWyZ_wAhViTd8KHZb6AgAQ6AEwBHoECAEQAw#v=onepage&q=nagle&f=false Nelms, Noyle: passing counterfeit bills on the State Bank of South Caroline https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Nelms-34 Patton, Nathaniel: Passing counterfeit money https://cdn.website-editor.net/020d9c979f77483189db333592c7de7f/files/uploaded/Colonial%2520Records%2520of%2520Pennsylvania%2520Vol%2520XII.pdf Repton, Bernard: for Counterfeiting the Bills of Credit of this Province (Pennsylvania) http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan119745 Reynolds, David: counterfeiting currency for the colonies of New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New York https://www.revolutionarywarnewjersey.com/new_jersey_revolutionary_war_sites/towns/hampton_nj_revolutionary_war_sites.htm Roberts, James: Passing counterfeit money and knowing it to be such https://books.google.com/books?id=Rqk-AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA375&lpg=PA375&dq=%22james+roberts%22+1780+counterfeit&source=bl&ots=DkhksDPIim&sig=ACfU3U0o0gJMkutW2bKY4Wr3Cdr1jIlOmw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjxqdmNz5_wAhUAFFkFHdNQAWQQ6AEwBnoECAkQAw#v=onepage&q=%22james%20roberts%22%20&f=false Rosikrans, Herman: Counterfeiting the $3 Paper Bills of Credit and passed 2 of them knowing to be fake https://books.google.com/books?id=3xxEAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA666&lpg=PA666&dq=Rosikrans,+Herman+counterfeit&source=bl&ots=8H6cH0erPo&sig=ACfU3U2gKQfdlvJUVHF_xV4Ape2_K33prA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbg4zIz5_wAhUKMVkFHT2KCV8Q6AEwAnoECAIQAw#v=onepage&q=Rosikrans%2C%20Herman%20counterfeit&f=false Shocky, Christopher (Shockey): Counterfeit Virginia money https://www.krishocker.com/shockeys-counterfeit-currency/ Smith, John: Counterfeiting the currency of the province of New York https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2018/04/18th-century-warning-tis-death-to-counterfeit/ Stevens, John: Counterfeiting paper currency of New York http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan85824 Stewart, Alexander (Andrew): Counterfeiting and uttering the Fifty Shilling Bills of the Province of Pennsylvana http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan119745 Stewart, John: ? Sullivan, Owen (Syllavan): counterfeiting and passing the current bills of that colony emitted in the year 1737 https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=evans;idno=N06140.0001.001 Trout, Henery (Henry): Passing counterfeit money https://cdn.website-editor.net/020d9c979f77483189db333592c7de7f/files/uploaded/Colonial%20Records%20of%20Pennsylvania%20Vol%20XII.pdf Ware, John ? Westmore, Charles ? Yager, Hendrick? Unk & Unk: ISAAC JONES AND HIS GANG http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan72127 I think the saddest of them all was Nicholas Brock. 18 years old, and passed a single dollar. Thank you for putting in the research and sharing. I've been wanting to learn more about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 That poor old boy there in the last articles sure got hit a hard lick. That would have probably been my first lie. It being just one dollar they should have just gave him a little jail time. I could understand if it were several or if he was making them. Old boy was awful young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 On 4/26/2021 at 12:08 PM, Hoghead515 said: Just the threat of it would be enough to deter me from it. Which I wouldn't steal anyways. I'm so glad I was raised better. I see several of my neighbors and people I went to school with turned into theives and no one wants them around. I'd hate for no one to want me around like that. I've also had things stolen from me and I don't have the heart to do it to any one else. Had a brand new ATV stolen from me. No insurance. Still owed $5000 on it. Had to pay it off and never did get it back. I can't stand a theif. People out working to have something and a dead beat come steal it. [And generally overlooked is the fact that that $5,000 is a pittance compared to the cost borne by the tax-paying public to keep that man behind bars.] Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 During those times people, and courts, took stealing, or theft, very seriously. For example, stealing a horse and getting caught resulted in hanging. Rarely, if ever, did a person escape the noose for crimes that impacted on the health and welfare of fellow citizens. GoldFinger1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Hoghead515 said: That poor old boy there in the last articles sure got hit a hard lick. That would have probably been my first lie. It being just one dollar they should have just gave him a little jail time. I could understand if it were several or if he was making them. Old boy was awful young. The letter implies that he had been stealing on several occasions, and was being required to re-pay the Chief Coiner, Eckfeldt, for what he confessed to taking. Presumably Eckfeldt handled it as if it were a loan and that made the legal part go away. The perpetrator, Benjamin Lenderbach, accepted time-served - preferable to hanging. I wonder if he became the first "hedge fund" manager ? Hoghead515 and LINCOLNMAN 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I believe Hogshead was referring to Nicholas Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Conder101 said: I believe Hogshead was referring to Nicholas Brock. Yea. That was the one I was referring to. I'd swear up and down I didn't know no better. Tell them someone passed it off to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
