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Be that as it may, I can attest to the fact that Mississippi pear butter is excellent on cornbread. Thanks again. And for the record, I'm not sure how it would be possible to put too many cloves in it. Cloves = deliciousness.

A nickel can easily be MS without full steps. A bag mark could interrupt one of the steps, or more commonly the last two never struck up to begin with.

My opinion is that the coin is worth one cent or its metal value, that no digging into its date is worth anyone's energy, and that even roll hunting would be more profitable than examining this one.

I bet. One can only imagine what it was like there before the advent of a/c.

Fine, thanks, not as hot today as recently. How's the summer in Hattiesburg?

The people who get laughed at or scorned don't get that for asking questions, even if they aren't real great questions. They get disrespected because they are obtuse, or slow in the uptake, or foolishly insist on conclusions proven incorrect by people who know more than they do.

Who cares why? Not saying this to be rude to you, of course, just being very candid and offering some critical thought. When someone comes here to waste our time and demand confirmation of their pareidolia, I don't care if they did it because they had a nosebleed, found a parking lot nickel, or saw something on allwetsy and decided they could get rich. I don't care and I don't see why anyone does. Once they prove this, why waste time trying to convince them? Who benefits? Not them. Not us. Not NGC. No one. They should be put on ignore posts and left to scream into the void. If you actually do care on reflection, for real and for true, then that's a personal decision and not for me to critique. I might not understand it, but I don't have to understand, and I accept that. But if we really don't care, let's show it. And I'm proposing that after a certain point, we should seriously consider ceasing to care. Or rather, I've already stopped caring and I hope others will join me in apathy. There are other people worth bothering with who are not pareidoliacs. I see nothing gained by taking attention and teaching from them and giving it to ingrates. This board wastes so vulgar_term_for_copulation_in_present_participle much time on ingrates, it's the functional equivalent of giving drug addicts free money.

Sometimes being on this forum feels like being one of the old guys working in a mill. Someone new shows up to clean up around one of the planers, and immediately stands in a spot where they throw the broken boards off. Old guy says, hey, not a good place to stand, good place to get clocked in the head with a flying board. New guy says nah, I know what I'm doing. No, really, says old guy, this could get you seriously hurt, that's why we don't stand there. New guy looks at old guy, basically hints that he's an old fogey who doesn't get it, and decides to stick around. Old guy says, okay, when you get hit in the head and your memory comes back, hope it includes that we tried to tell you not to stand there, and that the only way you would learn is by getting hit. Then he walks away. We're like if the old guy stood there and kept after the very_unwise_planer_handyman_novice for half an hour pleading with him to save his own braincase from impact, and the VUPHN insists on showing the level of wisdom that is probably a result of many other past kindly meant guidances ignored about where to stand. I would rather we all walked away sooner. Once three people have told someone it's nothing, and they still insist, let's just tell them to send it in without remorse. Some already do say that. There's no point debating with someone whose mind is made up to be wrong and only wants their decision confirmed. They hear only what confirms.

Even if that conformed to the design of a Trade Dollar, which it doesn't, it not sticking to a magnet would not mean it was genuine. That only means that a small metal disk (that might not even be a coin) is not made of enough iron/nickel to be attracted to a magnet. In other words, that rules out one of the cheaper, crappier forms of fake. It by no means indicates authenticity. It's like if the police suspect someone of involvement in a crime. If when checking into that person, they happen to have been dead before the crime was conceived, yeah, pretty sure that dead person is innocent. But if they happen to be alive, that doesn't mean they're guilty, It just rules out one of the most obvious causes of not-guiltiness.

When you do, consider it tuition.

Worth 1c each.

It only takes one sucker to make someone's day.

You're not learning. I recommend learning. Repeated misidentification posting will not by itself change the outcome; it will just make you look like a slow learner.

Well, thanks for having the honesty to admit that you are contributing to the problem and damaging the hobby.

Okay. Just checking. What I can't wait to see is how someone listens to you by not listening to you. I suspect that's how Daoist thinking would approach this.

Bob's definitely on to something. I'm going to guess that it's a coin of one of the Dutch provinces, so I'll let you do the shoveling. If you'd provided weight and diameter, I might have dug, but without that information it's pointless.

I wonder if it's occurred to you that anyone reading posts on here (yours included) is engaging in INTERNET-BASED LEARNING. Does this mean that you have an EXTREMELY NEGATIVE VIEW of anyone attempting to learn from your posts?

Well, this isn't going to be much use to you, but very well. I look for ancient and medieval world coins that are interesting to me. I am bored stupid with Constantine, Gallienus, Constantius, and other very common ancients that can be had for $8 each. I like ancient Roman and Greek, the Islamic world, Crusader coins, Byzantine, and any coin I just think is interesting for whatever arcane reasons about the way my brain works. In post-1600 coins I like world in general, especially if it's something new to me and especially Italian/German/Indian pre-unification states as well as colonials. These aren't easy to find. There are probably a dozen local coin shows a year if one is willing to drive an hour and a half each way, and there are few ancients vendors. There are even fewer worth a billon antoninianus. In the end I end up blowing most of my annual savings at our club's coin show, where there are at least three quality ancient/world vendors each year.

It's worth questioning whether the coin would be FS even without that season-ending injury. As I understand it, there are 5FS and 6FS designations. I'm not sure this one would even make 5 without the ding, and I can pretty much assure you it wouldn't make 6. Not to worry; everyone who collects Jeffs at some point confronts this small but important hurdle in evaluating them. It takes a really sharp strike for the steps even to have existed when the coin was freshly minted, and the high ones wear off quickly in circulation even if they ever had full definition.

The latter. One thing that never ceases to amaze me is what the environment, or perhaps bored kids, can do to what was once a perfectly good coin.

Nope. They're right--the ding kills FS.

No.

I think everyone's pretty clear on what it says and does not say. You provided photos, after all. Looks to me like a common bullion round, private mintage of some sort, and unlikely to be worth more than the value of one ounce of silver--whatever that's going for nowadays. You should not refer to it as a dollar because it isn't one.

Perhaps; can't really say. Photos are very deceptive that way, and the harsh cleaning certainly didn't help matters (though I understand it, if it was coated in f-bombing paint). The way to arriving at a decision is to do what I said, find out what it purports to be, then compare it to examples of the real deal.

I did a little looking, enough to satisfy myself that what it's supposed to be is a half follis (aka 20 nummi), a common bronze coin of the early Byz era. I would start looking on Wildwinds, choosing to view thumbnails, and use the reverse as your primary cue. You can skip forward past Justin II, unless you want to make sure I didn't miss something (quite possible). I don't see any seams along the edge that you showed me, but it does look a little too disclike to make me very comfortable. In any case, first find what it's supposed to be, then use that info to look up known authentic examples.