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Ah hah, finally stumped ... well, almost and JK. I think he was asking about possible "machine doubling", but I don't see any doubling. Somebody has been using a scope again, which can have you seeing things unless there is something specific you are looking for.

I really just use 75W/100W bulbs in regular lamps for coins, or a loupe/scope with built in LEDs, so that's probably why there are some differences. Sometimes when I look at a coin in strong sunlight it looks off, and I think why coin standards generally don't recommend that. To me a silver half dollar coin is one that has a very high overall percentage like around 90% for older silver circulation coins (99.9% for various modern silver bullion coins), and then silver clad has 40% silver overall, and then there is the more modern copper nickel clad coins, or "cupro-nickel" which to me sounds like some kind of metallic drink or a cup full of coins. @Hinklefinding that elusive struck on silver clad planchet error is super rare, but it hasn't stopped me from looking as I go through coins. But I don't specifically roll hunt half dollars for that, keeping in mind that the chances are astronomically small. Hopefully you picked up some tips to actually save you some time looking since you don't need to weight them (and it actually wouldn't help) to maybe find that unicorn.

Buck up QA, I think it was just meant as a pot shot at me, and a pretty childish one at that, since I humorously disagreed with him. Including that markets all go up, with up and down swings ... "at least since the bi-metallic money standard ended" [in 1973]. I believe he forgot that he himself argued something similar in a different thread that relative to evaluating gold prices ... "the price was artificially suppressed for decades prior to 1973. The history of the price is false, since government dictated it" ... So we are all in the "clown" category now, and I will leave it at that as stated. Concerning any financial "die cracks" that may be present, those are only found in my 401k and individual market investment accounts where the value has seeped through those cracks, causing the cracks to seriously widen and the values to drain through them like opening up the flood gates at the Hoover Dam. Luckily, I had been dumping as much as I could from the individuals and tax returns into I-Series at ~10% before everything fell apart to soften the blow, as well as buying a bunch of coins which have pretty much held. And all my bullion investments are still up, including moving some individuals into that a while ago to diversify a bit, or for more recent ones just about holding steady even with the drastic price drops we just had. And you are right that the value of our coins have not suffered the same fate as the stock market.

That might not be too far off as the NGC guide lists $120 for an MS-63. From eBay sold listings looks like you can pick up a nice uncirculated one in the mid $40 range and an AU for under $10. But the op's coin is a lot nicer than the sold raw AU coins there. His is a nice coin, and either MS or AU slider.

At least your honest about it. I could never throw a knuckleball that my grandmother wouldn't be able to hit.

@tj96are those pics in sunlight, which can really mess with appearances? Also, I have heard the 40% silver clad coins referred to as "40% silver" and many just use "silver clad". I mostly roll hunt quarters, but sometines half dollars too. Haven't really found anything valuable yet. I have these rubber like sorting mats with the more valuable dates, varieties and errors printed on them. Maybe one of these days. 😉

Hey Bob, I get what you saying. I'm just being a little banterous. Honestly at this point if someone told me my life depended on telling the difference between a 67 and a 67+ I would be in trouble ... maybe one day in a galaxy far far away. ✨️

I'm not talking about anything rolling ... I give up.

No, that may just be your individual preferred valuation metric. Turn on the news and look at a Dow chart and it's in absolute values. Hold a bar of gold in your hand and look at the chart on the news, and nothing is rolling. 😜 I get what your saying as a valuation comparison metric, but it's just not how people think or the concensus as you see absolute comparison charts like those posted all over the place.

@Just Bobmulling over that, and very true. But then could you not also include rubs from feeder finger actuation, coins contacting and rubbing against each other in the mint bins, while being placed in mint bags or rolls, or rubbing against each other in mint bags while being transported and handled before finally arriving at a bank vault in a "mint state" condition, where some of those things may remove some high point or contact luster? I might be creating my own mint state rabbit hole where it all depends on how you define certain coin reated terms. Well there are grading standards that really address most of that, but which standards you use is a whole other rabbit hole. Maybe the only true "70" should be one that is removed from the press with special tongs and placed in a protective holder, and that the market pricing needs to be adjusted to reflect the grade and not the other way around.

@tj96I'm not sure what you are referring to here. I roll hunt half dollars, looking at the date/mark plus all 3 sides, and have never seen a pre 1971 40% silver clad half dollar with an edge that looked like modern copper nickel clad coins. The first pic attached is a modern copper nickel clad half dollar with the reddish/brownish copper alloy core visible. You also occasionally get more of a solid silver color on the edge like to the right, so you have to turn the coin even if you see that. The second is an older 40% silver clad half dollar with the silver color all the way around. You can make out the slightly darker core JustBob was referring to but it's always silver in color, not like the modern clad junk. Can you post a pic of the edge for the 40% half dollar coin you are referring to?

I do recall there being allowances for cabinet friction marks on MS graded coins. So a trayed coin with some cabinet friction would still grade MS, and be different than a high grade AU or slider, correct?

Not really true. Historically they all have up and down swings, but all go up over time, at least since the bi-metallic money standard ended. Bond markets (not just individual bonds or classes) have the least amount of swings and lowest return over time. Stock markets actually have the greatest amount of swings, but also the greatest return over time. I wont touch crypto or real estate, so for a little while now precious metals have been a nice happy median for me and my "gambling money" as I refer to it. 😜 I have also done some dabbling in ETF's, and I dont even track or think of coins like that, except maybe bullion coins. But recently everything except bonds has been crazy, so I have just been sitting on the sidelines collecting coins. 🙃

Yea, you mean another eledery rip off company that is the "only one known" to sell rare State Restricted Bank Rolls ... because they paid $20 for rights to print "state restricted bank" on cheap paper rolls ... with even cheaper coins inside. Line um up. Okay, civic duty hour is over, back to "investing". 😉

Besides continuing with rolls and older Gernan coins (not so much lately), and of course the Morgans, I have been adding a few chopped ones which I find interesting (if not overdone) and a number of older half dollars. If I do a one-a-year set of the latter after I finish the Morgans a good chunk are the Seated Liberty type, so you never know where that might lead, so I bookmarked that nugget. 😉 I kicked around the idea of also collecting 8 Reales, but with raw coins being a hands-down favorite I need a lot more experience and additional research before I cross over to that dark side.

Yea, decades ago they had a decent reputation. Complaints have skyrocketed, along with their mark-ups and strong-arm up-sells to grandma. That last part alone would lose my respect, but you are better off anyway going with a very large reputable bullion/coin dealer like Apmex, JD Bullion, etc. And there are a lot of companies out there which are total rip offs like a bunch selling counterfeit gold bars not even close to the purity claimed and others professing to sell things below spot with an old date but where you can still place an "order" thinking it's a score, but you get a box of rocks. Buyer beware.

Idk, I have been doing bullion for quite a while, and doing pretty good with the general up trend and pegging the up/down. I have heard some talk about there being a general 1,600 line, but I have absolutely no clue anymore.

You are correct that post had an inadvertant faux pas where a minor edit was not felt necessary, as it is intrinsically implied and intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers that one does not actually "converse" with alter-egos, and therefore this would be a figurative and not literal "conversing", Other than that (including reports that pretor Arrius was nvts, as are most great military leaders), it was wholeheartedly factual ... okay, well maybe not the village burning stuff. 😜 Even though that was about gold coins with a possible derailment, back to "investments" ... how about those infomercials selling gold portfolios that show gold shooting up to a unicorn $2,050/oz where it was earlier this year (right before is subsequently completely tanked), and then immediately cutting away to the box of shiny 1-kilo gold bars (~$55k ea) that are lit up like a Christmas morning smile. Yea, that is what you are going to get when you call.

This is a prime example of why you can't rely on Google for accurate information.

For future reference there is an enormous thread dedicated to a 1971 Kennedy half dollar possibly being struck on the wrong planchet where this topic was beaten to death (multiple times). Cliffs Notes tip: due to weight tolerance overlap you can't just weigh half dollars to pick up a less than power ball odds shot at having the astronomically rare struck on wrong planchet error. Pro tip: take four of those 1973's and buy a power ball ticket. You would actually have a shot with less heart burn. 😜 I am also curious what led you to believe that there was any shot at all of that 1973-D being struck on a 40% Ag planchet that wasn't used after very early in 1971 (like a handful of planchets) except in 1976.

@Quintus ArriusI was going to let this slide, but I couldnt because inquiring minds want to know! So, Rickey is an imaginary alter-ego Rooster for a reincarnated 73 BC Roman praetor who mysteriously disappeared after a successful war campaign due to imaginary interactions with an alter-ego Chicken leading to taking a path home being a modern day equivalent of a South Bronx stroll at night without a bullet proof vest. And yet it is proffered that a similar outcome is not destined to occur to the owner of a top rated coin collection if an imaginary Rooster selectes upgrades to much sought after alter-ego coin self-portraits that are as rare as Rooster teeth (pun intended) in very high grades, where historical competition over such pieces have resulted in villages burning to the ground and wars starting? And this really is somehow expected to go well?

Good points @Coinbufmaybe I am a little too willing to give ppl the benefit of doubt initially. But maybe they could allow sharing of raw coins only for custom sets that couldn't be used to get points or compete. That should cut down on the vast majority of complaints. I'm sure they get that anyway with the amount of points awarded for certain slabbed coins. Some ppl can be very competitive (and thus the name), which is not necessarily a bad thing within reason. And they do run businesses, not charities, so of course they will try to promote themselves.

Scammers like this @Cingperson really burn my butt, if you couldn't tell, faking their way through life trying to take advantage of people. Either it is a scam, or they got taken buying what they thought was a rare MS 1970 Nickel and figured they would lie about it looking for re-submission ammo and got caught, which is just as bad. The only thing I'm not sure of is if this scam artist also posted it to the PCG$ board. As much as I slam PCS$ for their price guides, the ppl on their boards are also very knowledgeable and helpful to honest ppl. If this scam artist did post it "over there" I am sure they would have also called them out with equal ferocity.

Thanks for the detailed info @Coinbuf, much appreciated as usual. Maybe I just found the Custom sets to be really clunky because it's on an older system, and the newer system is for Competitive graded sets (with only NGC and PCG$ slabs allowed, and no raw coins) with almost all of the FAQs geared towards the Competitive sets. I got so frustrated I almost threw one of my very few slabbed coins which was within reach at the wall (easy their hot shot, don't you dare throw that slabbed beauty!). But my collections are almost all raw coins that are not TPG slabbed. After I posted a few to a Custom Morgan collection I set up that seemed like it took forever, I couldn't share them or allow anyone to view them. Now I know why, and I think that needs to change before I give it another try. Seemed like the registry was really pushing NGC or PCG$ slabbed coins, which just isn't me or my cup of tea, even though I was willing to use and share pics from that system which is more exposure for them. Maybe pass along my displeasure also next time you complain about that again.

@Cingyour description that you "cut up" a mint set to get the Jefferson Nickel and that "it should be graded MS not Pr" was a totally leading question right off the bat. But I gave you the benefit of the doubt as a new member, and posted a clear picture of both a regular 1970 "mint set" that you truly would have to "cut out" to get the nickel and have it grade an MS, as well as a post with a clear picture of a plastic encased "proof set" that you would have to open up or crack out to get to the nickel (not "cut" it out). You came back with the following: with no picture of the set you got the nickel from, even though it was asked that you do that (and which would have been readily available if you did in fact "cut up" a mint set), and of course only replied with a PCG$ TrueView pic with the following replies ... (hmmm). Don't feign indignation at being called out. You should have just accepted that people called it as a proof nickel. You did NOT "cut" that coin out of a regular mint set with cellophane mint packaging (just like in my first pic and what you were claiming), which would have been readily available to post a pic if you did cut it from that. When in fact you DID get it from a proof set encased in hard plastic (just like my second pic and what you claimed it did not come from), but of course you couldn't post that. Then you submitted it to PCG$ and tried to claim it was MS on the submission. Did you really think you could just flim-flam PCG$, and prolly post the same garbage to their board, and then got called out there (which I am sure they would have done), so you figured you could just try your luck over here? I am sure you frantically searched Google for pics of a regular mint set in the cellophane mint packaging without the nickel after being asked for that, and came up with a total blank, and figured you could wing it. So, I called you out for that as trolling for some kind of ammunition to challenge the correct PCG$ PR grade. Sorry bud, I have to call um like I see um. Maybe others who follow you and find this post will not think people on this board are gullible.