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There is a fine line between providing newer collectors enough information to identify counterfeits themselves and providing other than known information on the web (see link below about a different CWT) about coins and tokens which may help counterfeiters. I don't see an issue with sharing info readily available on the web if researched. I don't think enough information has been provided to the op in order for them to identify counterfeits of the subject token in the future. This could be done by PM if there is a concern about openly sharing that information, but then that would have to be repeated for each person seeking the same info about a coin or token. https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/8043/counterfeit-detection-january-2020-civil-war-token/

Try the following webpage with info on "die chips" from the error-ref.com site. That is a great site in general to read up on coin errors which seems to be an interest of yours. https://www.error-ref.com/die-chips/

Why do you think that's a clash, and not simply a die chip? [And why is there so much blank space in this post?]

We may be disagreeing simply based on semantics. The traditional "dipping" of a coin, and how I think of that, is very limited to submerging a coin in an acid solution (e.g. Jeweluster) which actually removes some of the surface of a coin, along with any tarnish, color or toning as that is at the outer surface of a coin. It doesn't change the color of the coin to anything other than the original coin color, possibly an off original color if done incorrectly, and although it may also remove dirt and grime on the coin surface that is not the intent of "dipping" which is to remove some of the metal at a coin surface. Then there is "cleaning" a coin which is the removal of dirt and grime from a coin using solutions and mechanical means at the surface of the coin. This can also include submerging a coin in a solution such as acetone or MS70 to remove things like fingerprints, dirt and grime from a coin, which for some methods (not acetone) can also change the color of the coin to the various hues mentioned. I would not consider that a coin submerged in a solution such as acetone or MS70 has been "dipped". When PCGS states in their standards that "Dipping (the removal of toning with a chemical bath) is not considered cleaning ..." I believe they are referring to the traditional "dipping" or submerging of a coin in an acid solution.

I agree with Jason that dipping and cleaning are separate things, regardless of if the coin is silver or copper, or whether evidence of that is left behind. Dipping involves submerging the coin in an acid solution to remove tarnish and brighten the coin. Cleaning involves using solutions and mechanical means to remove dirt and grime from a coin. Some consider that dipping a coin also cleans it, but that's not really the purpose of dipping a coin, and the PCGS grading code 92 for cleaning specifically excludes that, stating "Dipping (the removal of toning with a chemical bath) is not considered cleaning ..." for all coin metals including silver and copper. https://www.pcgs.com/grades#grade92

Are you still using that 20 year old flip phone Sandon? [duck]

I would first go to the PCGS CoinFacts pages for each coin and find a similar condition coin in order to compare details and get a rough grade or range of grades (e.g. for 1817 50C ... https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1817-50c/images/6109). Note that the location of certain features such as dates can vary as they are hand punched in dies, but the detail should match. If they match, then go to the NGC Price Guide page for each coin to look up a value or range of values (e.g. for 1817 50C https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/united-states/half-dollars/capped-bust-lettered-edge-half-dollars-1807-1836/16109/1817-50c-ms/?des=ms).

Right off the bat a few things on the obverse jump out including the word "Liberty" is missing, the denticles are shaped wrong, the date is set wrong with the 9's too low (doesn't follow the curve of the edge), there are missing details that is not wear like some of the hair, and facial features are off like the nose is sloped differently and the mouth doesn't match. I am sure if you spent some time comparing it to certified examples on CoinFacts for one in a similar condition you could find all kinds of additional differences.

I would just stick with the standard gold eagle bullion coins, which is what I do. I also stuck with 2020 and earlier 1 oz gold eagle coins as I don't like the new reverse with just the enlarged eagle head since 2021.

Except for bullion coins where spot prices should be used, I use the NGC prices as a guide for a lot of different coins which has been pretty much spot on. Then I zero in with Auction prices from Great collections, but sometimes they don't have any recent sales to be of much use. And I have also noticed that a lot of the ask prices or auction reserves on eBay lately are way too high, and those coins just sit.

You don't need to submit them to a grading company for them to look nice in your collection. I would just get some coin albums like the Littleton ones to put the cents in similar to the attached, or if you find some exceptional ones possibly with true errors in the future maybe put them in an individual NGC style slab. Sorry to say it looks like you were scammed if you paid more than 1C each as I also don't see any of value or with errors. I mean you are told there are errors, but you have to discover them ... really? Don't add insult to injury by submitting them to a grading company, which would also be a total waste of your money. I would just caulk this one up as a lesson learned as a newer collector, and learn a lot more about coins (see the post by Sandon above) before buying anything else.

Again. I am still at a loss as to why you quoted me as I have not spewed any such nonsense, and wondering if your okay.

You can access the NGC price guide on your phone. .

Is the Lincoln's image incuse on the coin and projecting out on the die, in which case I could buy die polishing? It looked like the Lincoln's image as well as the adjacent columns were both projecting out on the coin.

You quoted me, but I'm completely lost as to who you are referring to. You feeling okay?

Raw coins with common Machine Doubling are all over sites like eBay and Etsy being misrepresented as "Doubled Die" coins listed for hundreds of dollars. Buyer beware!

Just spit balling, but would over-polishing remove the incuse image of Lincoln in the die but still leave the columns on each side? Perhaps grease filled plus wear?

You actually think you would get a silver coin, if anything at all, for less than melt?

For CA residents only (they are used to that) submit prior year tax return with coin submissions and then grading fees TBD.

That one is getting out of hand with the editions which I think is kind of a money grab. I went with the previous edition than the current which is a lot less money and I don't use it for the updated pricing info anyway. I use NGC and PCG$ price guide and Great collections auction records.

Ernest consider that AliBaba, as well as a spin off companies including AliExpress, are well know suppliers of fake items made in China, including the token being discussed. These companies actually take pride in being able to copy virtually anything, including a vast array of collectible US coins and tokens, and then sell it on US markets dirt cheap. Chinese law only restricts copying Chinese currency, not US coins and tokens. Luckily these fakes have become well known, and US law enforcement has been cracking down on people for importing counterfeits. http://ncna.club/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Counterfeit-Coins-Article.pdf I don't think anyone is questing how you got the token, or even how your uncle got the token, but consider that the Chinese have been knocking off items, including counterfeits of US coins and tokens, long before Al Gore invented the internet, and just had catalogs of these items. Here are two more listed on eBay now that have an uncanny resemblance to the op's token (except a different reverse die) including the mushy details, like the lettering on the canons and the drums, available in various colors or metals. Some people end up buying and reselling items like this without realizing they are fake, or at least that's their story.

I would start with the following topics which covers coin collecting resources and coin collecting books, including one on Morgans, as well as a topic on Resources for collectors. I would also become familiar with a website called VAM World dedicated to information about and varieties of Morgans, some of which are very valuable that you may be able to cherry pick. http://boards.ngccoin.com/topic/428817-resources-for-new-collectors/ http://boards.ngccoin.com/topic/430263-basic-resources-glossary-for-those-posting-questions/ http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/Home The book by Bowers on Morgans referenced above has discussions on many of the more interesting years and the following link on the rarest and therefore most valuable Morgans. https://www.workandmoney.com/s/most-valuable-morgan-silver-dollars-44e264f9fd704712 As far as pricing for Morgans see the following price guide from NGC and Auction Archives from Great Collections: https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/united-states/dollars/49/ https://www.greatcollections.com/Auction-Archive/ And on where to get quality Morgans avoid sites like Etsy and eBay like the plague and stick with: larger auction houses like Great Collections or Heritage Auctions; and larger reputable dealers like Apmex, MCM, Littleton, Northeast, JD Bullion, etc. Happy Morgan Hunting!

That would have been a candidate for my "Good, Bad and Ugly" road rash short set. But how could that possibly be something which occurred during the coin production process in order for it to be an error, and which part of the process? https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/7765/learn-grading-mint-errors-part-1/

You might be getting hooked by the collecting bug!

I was thinking the same, but looking at the NGC photo of the coin areas were it appeared to have some minor wear were likely just blurry portions of the op's original pics.