coastaljerseyguy

The 93CC above would be a harshly cleaned Fine and the 79O appears to be a lightly cleaned but retoned XF, although it could be the picture.  But not the 93CC, unfortunately.

Coinbuf.

My comment was directed at EBAY and not at the lister.  I assume as any normal business they accrue future revenue received into the current fiscal period since the listing was initiated, even though not sold yet & fees received until later.  They probably have some formula based on historical averages that for every xxx dollars of listings they eventually receive $y.  Would be less then their actual fee rate to be earned (~ 4 - 12% based on sellers business model) knowing a lot of stuff doesn't ever sell.  But these scam listing inflate their gross listings. 

The gross amount of listings on eBay like this is appalling.

Hopefully EBAY is not accruing fee receivables based on these scam listings or their financials will be messed up. 

Seems to take the joy out of collecting and picking coins that appeal to you.  Believe you would probably sell off many and replace with others.  Be patient and if buying anywhere near that quantity would want to see in hand.

On 3/31/2023 at 12:11 PM, RWB said:

Eagle's chest, head and upper wing have ordinary abrasion, not bag or contact damage.

Agree 100%, here's some better photos in cloudy sunlight by window.

Interesting post.  I acquired 1 double eagle from my dad when he passed away.  It was his birth year, 1927.  I believe he got it in Vegas in the early 70's.  He went there at least once a year during that period.  He was like RWB's uncle, he worked in a bank for over 25 years and also saved every silver coin that passed his way.  Anyway this coin somehow and somewhere circulated since it appears to be an XF.  I always wondered where it circulated and its been sitting untouched for many years now.  Finding it today figure I should store in a better holder.

MS 65 or 66

OK..., back to the OP subject.  Probably not whizzed but polished with Tarn-x or something since it has that smooth shine not visible in photo.  One of my earliest purchases on EBAY and probably 1st key date purchase.  Seller's photos hid the damage.  Someone ruined a nice AU.  Luckily not too much invested in coin.

Although I agree that today, coin grading is both objective science and a subjective art, I believe it can be a science or close to one.  The definition and classification of good/bad: art, music, beauty, etc. will always be an art since it is ever evolving, so unique,  and new forms coming into existence. Not so for coins. The universe of classic coins has been defined, will not change, and there is a close ideal of what is perfection.  Have all coins been reviewed, no.  But the proper classification based on standards can be defined & graded, including eye appeal, since thousands of existing images can be classified by the TPGs and professionals whose opinions we value.  These can then be imaged, programmed, and repeated.

Although this change would require significant time and money by the TPGs, there would appear to be a cost savings in the long run.  However there would also be the loss of revenue since regrades would be non-existent since 99.999% of the time the same grade would be returned every time.  God forbid.   

I wouldn't underestimate the ability of programming & computers to gauge eye appeal in addition to the technical grade.  What is eye appeal anyway:

• Great strike above whatever criteria you want to input - this is measurable
• Great luster - measurable
• Appealing toning - images can be fed into the program to determine what the TPGs & collecting community feels looks great, good, ok, horrible and computers can do the combination/permutations
• Pure whiteness or lack of toning, spots, etc.

And a human can always do the final once over for approval and consistency.  All modern coinage should be done by computers.

$375 delivered.

New reverse photo - black lines are shadows of slab scratches since taken in sunlight, are not on coin.

In a Gen 13 holder.  Bot in 2005.  Nice strike and no major distracting marks.  Original skin, do not think it was dipped. might have kept it from a 55 grade.  $405 delivered.  PM me if interested.

I like the rim toning on the old ANACS holders for Morgans. Not sure if the holder caused the toning or if they came from old collections and albums.

Unless there was a different composition with the very early PCI holders, I'm thinking the coins were toned prior to slabbing, whether AT or NT.  I've had 2 PCI gold slabs and they have not changed in 15+ years. I can see some rim toning evolving, but not overall coin toning.  Maybe I'm wrong.

MS63

$475 delivered PP F&F or Zelle, or + 3% if PP.  Nice original color and full rims.  Gen 4.1 Holder issued 2002-04.  Had for 15+ years and selling some dupes.

Wow, thought everyone knew this.  My grammar school (a long time ago) had the inscription 'PVBLIC School No. 12' in large letters over the main entrance.  Built way before WWI. 

That version is different than mine as the boxes I have hold 20 coins.  Same color but guess I don't have the 'fattie' box.

If the light gray NGC box is the 'fattie' box, I have 2 that I would sell.  Here is a pic that I used to try & sell some misc stuff prior that no one bid. 

Coin looks like a Fine at best if not cleaned