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Hello Carlos B. Here is an informative link from Error-Ref regarding Die Deterioration Doubling (DDD). I have another external link on my computer at home with some great visuals but can’t remember it at the moment but will try to add it here later. DDD, MD, etc… can be exhibited in many different fashions. The internet is your best friend for researching errors, varieties and other things that are worthless doubling. Just spend some time learning the different types of machine doubling, DDD, and so forth and it will better prepare you with knowledge and insight into what to look for and what is the real thing and what is not. http://www.error-ref.com/?s=Die+deterioration+

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Thanks for that link DWLange. I have to agree it's definitely the S/D. The underlying serif you see is definitely a D. Not only in comparison to the pics on the supplied link here, VV, and the OP's coin, but the bottom serif of the D is too pronounced and more triangular shaped which is not consistent with any lower serifs every produced on an S mint mark which are more "bulb" or "tear-drop" shaped. Just my take on the matter..... Nice find!

Oh.. Sorry, thought you were asking what an attribution was..... Listen to JKK on this stuff!!!! (open mouth, insert foot....me that is..)

An attribution (in my best terminology and explanation) is a number assigned to any specific coin that defines certain aspects or characteristics of that individual coin in question. A lot of coins, especially those dating back to this time frame, have slightly different nuances, details, devices, something a little off here, something a little off there, etc (they didn't quite have CNC machines and computer automated drawings back in B.C. and all the dies were completely handmade)...... you get my point. So when a coin is attributed it is given a specific label, number, etc.... so that collectors can reference a particular attribution, in relation to their coin, in order to compare it to. Please correct me if I am wrong in saying this. Even modern day coinage is still attributed for things such as varieties and errors.

Ok..... I feel like I just received a PhD here in ancients......holy cow!!! That is some absolutely excellent info JKK and thank you so very much for taking your time to compose this list of your knowledge. Much appreciated and I'm going to somehow save and bookmark all of this.

Hey JKK. As with the OP, I too am also trying to learn more about ancients as they have sparked my interest lately. Always been a Linc error and variety fanatic myself. What online sources would you, or any of you ancient professionals, recommend to use to attribute ancient coins? I know both the OP and myself would appreciate any input. I did notice the exact same variation you speak of which threw up a red flag on this one for me but I was not able to find the attribution listing you mentioned, S-1857, to compare the OP's coin to. Seems like these coins are all over the map when it comes to variations, weight, etc.....Thanks for any pointers or advice on links or reliable websites.

Sharann.... It's ok, I promise! De-nile is not just a river in Egypt (hopeful you or someone else will get that).

Don't be going off now on 'Ricky Bobby'........ LOL!!!!! He was the best race car driver in the history of racing. (At least in the movies)

Sorry, trouble editing here....... I thought oxycodone would be a better, better, I mean better remedy...... remedy........

I agree with Quintus. I like it too even though I don’t believe it will carry anything more than face value IMO. Without personally having the coin in hand to inspect it, it would be very difficult to determine exactly what type of mechanical doubling it has. There are actually numerous types and forms of MD that most people are not aware of. I will try to post a link later to a very informative site that explains the different types of what are referred to as “worthless doubling” as opposed to true doubling.

Seeing a lot of Flow Lines now in those pics which usually signifies a worn die which may better explain what looks like doubling as a result of die deterioration.

If you have a scope that can zoom in that close on the Linc. statue then I GOT to see your setup.....

And also J P.... NO disrespect at all was meant by my comment above brother!!! Not that I believe you took it that way but now that I read it again I feel that it had the potential to come across as rude or insulting. I was just kidding around, definitely could've used better wording....lol, as I know you wouldn't try to, or intentionally attempt to, fool anyone with photography. Just wanted to clear that up.

Hey J P. I have to admit that your original pics appeared much more defined regarding possible doubling on the devices others and myself were referring to. In your latest pics I'm just not seeing the same thing brother....... The T in QUARTER just doesn't look as convincing now (No offense whatsoever is meant). IMHO I am now seeing more of a resemblance of DDD and/or MD. In my "mind's eye", by visualizing an overlay of the obverse and reverse of this coin, it seems to me that what appears as doubling is all completely shifted in the same Westward direction. This makes me believe this may be more of a result of strike doubling or something of that nature...... Just my opinion here.

Now.... granted I do see some DDD on LIBERTY... but QUARTER looks very promising. It’s a known fact that there can be both MD/DDD on a coin that also exhibits real doubling. Just my 2 cents worth here on this one.

I will have to agree with Quintus on this one. That T, and also the E (in QUARTER) could not have been a result of any DDD or Abrasion Doubling, or anything else IMHO..... Way too pronounced and extremely and clearly obvious looking to me. If that is a result of a lighting issue or glare then you have my vote for the Golden Emmy award for fooling coin photography!!

Hello GHOSTGIRL and welcome to the forum. Please do not be offended by my further input on your thread. There were several professionals here that have already explained what has happened to your dime (please listen to the professionals). It is called Post Mint Damage or better know as simply PMD. Please let me go a step further and explain about your question concerning the back of Rosevelt's head being warped. Your dime has taken a massive beating and bending of some sorts, definitely which all occurred after leaving the mint, no question about it. There is nothing special about this coin, sorry. Imagine a human-being riding a motorcycle, with a helmet on, (required by state law in most of the Continental United States), and the motorcycle guy taking a spill while trying to "straighten out a curve". His head slams off the nearest tree, even though he's wearing a helmet, and well..... the after effects are what you are seeing on your coin..... a distorted, bent, flattened edge, etc...... much like what a helmet would look like (as well as the biker dude) after a serious accident. Hopefully this helps in explaining why the rim and edge of your dime has been flattened behind Rosevelt's cranium (even though I'm not sure if he was a biker....). Just sayin......

That’s awesome for sure. (Can’t stand hot rocks though, they’ll drive you crazy!!!) Nice find and kudos for taking the time to uncrust it to discover what year it was. That takes a lot more patience than I would have no doubt! But as Coinbuf said, the mintage of the 43’ copper wasn’t even supposed to happen and only a handful of examples (and that’s being generous) have ever surfaced. I’m not saying it could never ever happen while metal detecting even though that was the gist of my post (I do think that one dude did actually win the Powerball twice many years ago, unbelievably lucky I’d say, but I never read or heard that he’d been struck by lightning...just sayin...) but the odds of a 43’ bronze find MD’ing are pretty much nonexistent IMHO. Congrats on your detecting find and keep on digging. I love metal detecting and try to get out as much as I can to do the same. Take care 👍.

Excellent clear pic Karen and great info from RWB and Condor!!!

Esteban made some pretty good stuff. I saw a YouTube video awhile back of an artist playing an Esteban and it was absolutely phenomenal. Here’s my saying that I’ve always believed in: “It’s not the arrow, it’s the Indian” Doesn’t matter what you are playing with no matter if it’s golf, tennis, guitar, etc........ The skill set is in the player. I’m sure that 6 string of yours is capable of putting out some beautiful stuff and I’m inclined to believe you are probably a pretty good player!!! And yes, my Martin is a keepsake for sure. My late father got it from a guy for $15 bucks that was owed to him when he was stationed overseas in Korea while in the Air Force. Don’t think I’ll be parting with it anytime soon......

You'll find one, they are definitely out there for the taking. Off the subject here, but what kind of guitars you got? I have a few acoustics myself and love to play. My prized possession is a 1938 Martin 00-18, small body. It doesn't see much action for obvious reasons and is kept under lock and key for the most part....

Thanks for the "plug" there Ronnie. Actually got lucky and found my 4th WAM a few days ago..... got 2- 98's and 2-2000's now, but can't seem to pin down a 99' while CRH...... But..... because you're a good feller, heck..I may just mail ya one. Hang in there and keep on alookin!!!! You will come across one pal!

You're correct JKK. I definitely overlooked something. I just now noticed that the lines are included and on the devices (particularly the top of George's head) which lathe lines would not show there, they only would show on the fields, if I'm correct in saying this.....

Welcome to the forum. I'm going to have to say these are what are called lathe lines due to their concentric pattern, not die polishing marks/scratches which are more linear. Lathe lines seem to be more common on modern Lincoln cents I believe but still a pretty neat example for a Washington.