Fenntucky Mike

On 3/3/2024 at 10:48 AM, Coinbuf said:

Toner lovers are a crazy bunch of collectors, and many are not afraid to spend some major cash if they like the tone.   I would not be surprised at all if this was a Morgan dollar, but from what little I follow of the world coin market that does seem like a remarkable price.

I was shocked. I've never seen a common world coin like this sell for such a large premium based on the toning. I guess the rainbow colors landed a pot of gold for the seller.

Including the BP the coin sold for $840, with taxes and shipping the total cost would be close to $900. 

This coin had nice subtle toning on one side, I bid on it myself, but even still my jaw hit the floor when I saw the final price. Below is the PCGS True View image, I usually don't like the look of TV images and this is no exception.

On 3/3/2024 at 1:08 AM, Midwest Dozer said:

well i did the pain staking work and went through the bag one at a time. we did find 22 ddo fs-101 just like the 1997 ddo fs-101 i also found 68 that are ms65 or so and i have 16 that has 4-6 very small ticks in the jacket and as little as 2-4 on the reverse.. im hoping they grade better than 67 well see. thanks for the advise

That you found 22 in one bag tells me that these are common, that apparently no TGP recognizes this variety would indicate that it is too minor to spend time looking for. In your question you ask individuals if they would search a 1974-D, $50 bag of cents, your findings haven't changed my mind. If individuals want to roll/bag search for minor varieties or errors that's cool, it's just not how I'd spend my numismatic time. 

On 3/2/2024 at 3:10 PM, rcathey855 said:

2021 D penny from bank roll should I get it graded.

Welcome to the Forum.

The coin is damaged and you should NOT send it in for grading. The copper plating at the rim, and I suspect edge, is gone, it looks to be an early stage dryer coin. Doesn't necessarily matter by what means the coin was damaged, just know that it did not come from the mint looking like that.

On 3/2/2024 at 2:00 PM, Rob’s Coins said:

I submitted two coins that I suspected to be errors.  Should have posted them first but trying to learn myself.  I’ll be darn if one hit! 

Don’t blow my steam and tell me there is no premium for it, I’m sure I’ll figure that out on my own. lol!   Neat though.
Curious now to see what it will grade.  
Where is my happy dance emoji??!!

Congrats!  There should be a decent premium for it, I would think anyway.

A doubled die is a variety not an error. 

For a comparison, what would a 1964 MS66 Kennedy half dollar go for with similar color? Or any other similar coin from any country?

On 3/1/2024 at 6:14 PM, Henri Charriere said:

[Let's see now... Italian lira and British Petroleum. Hmm. I know someone withdrew the latest €500 notes from circulation, but where? What's a Lira worth today? What was it worth back in '67?  Has it since been devalued? You got me good, F' Mike. That and that guy waving that finger at me!   How about USD 737.37 + the usual, let's make that 20%. I know someone is having a hearty guffaw at my expense!]  

On 3/1/2024 at 6:17 PM, Coinbuf said:

No clue Mike as I don't collect in this area, but I'm sure that the color added quite a bit even tho its on the rev.

I have to assume that the color was the driving factor in the price.

Auction estimate was $40-$60. You can pick up a raw example, no toning, in the same or better condition for $20-$30 USD. A blast white NGC MS65 can be had for under $60 no problem. I'll reveal the final price tomorrow.

On 3/1/2024 at 4:15 PM, RWB said:

"It's the Hard Knock Life" from Annie.

It's the hard-knock life for us
It's the hard-knock life for us
'Stead of treated
We get tricked
'Stead of kisses
We get kicked
It's the hard-knock life

I'm just goofing around Roger.

Some may not have known but Jay-z sampled a piece of It's A Hard Knock Life from the musical Annie, music by Charles Strouse and lyrics by Martin Charnin, and worked it into one of his songs. I'll post the video in the watercooler if anyone is interested. Edited Version. 

On 3/1/2024 at 4:03 PM, RWB said:

"Annie"

Naah, it's from JAY-Z the musical, featuring Beyonce. 

On 3/1/2024 at 9:52 AM, Emmure said:

So why is it that everybody on here tells me that my coin is worthless then tells me to go to a website that will show me that it's worthless and this is what I got so does anybody here know what they're talking about

Post a clear, cropped, picture of the entire coin please.

Based on what I can see your coin does not appear to be a match to any of the DDO's listed by Wexler. It appears to be strike doubling but if better pics are posted I'll take another look.

Below is the image of WDDO-001 from https://doubleddie.com/1829488.html so that others can more clearly see what you are comparing your coin to.

I'd graded it at VG 8, probably worth in the $400-$800 range.

This is a forum for coins, while I don't really mind others might so it would best to post notes over at NGC's sister company PMG or maybe in the watercooler section. I'm over there, PMG, all the time but it's pretty dead for the most part. 

https://boards.pmgnote

EDIT TO ADD:

I believe this is Fr. # 1199, Teehee / Burke sigs.

A damaged and circulated coin with no collector value.

It's amazing how many bicentennial quarters are still out in circulation, or keep getting put into circulation, never gets old finding one of these out in the wild. 

Welcome to the forum. 

Two, most likely, impaired proofs, an altered quarter, and a circulated nickel and cent.... You got hosed. 

On 2/28/2024 at 7:48 PM, powermad5000 said:

We don't know that. We don't know what the asking price (or current auction bid price) is for the bag. It has not been stated in this thread. I can only imagine someone with less time in the hobby thinking there will be 5,000 totally pristine gem cents in the bag and willing to pay a ridiculous markup for it.

Last three still sealed bags that I can find on ebay went for $250 OBO, $350 BIN, $285 BIN, all were sold in the last three months. Rolls seem to be in the $2-$6 range on ebay depending on the type of roll, hand rolled, bank, age, etc., and how many in a lot.

EDIT TO ADD: 

Open and painstakingly search each coin for minor doubling or similar minutiae, No. Open and dump the contents on the kitchen table and causally search for an interesting piece or some really nice looking coins, Maybe. 

On 2/28/2024 at 2:35 PM, Mr.Bill347 said:

After further review... I do think your coin is legitimate. It Is a Victoria Jubilee Head CROWN not five shillings, and is currently found on Ebay for about $60. I apologize, for the mis-statement as I was on the trail of shillings and Florins. 

Corectamundo.

First, what a fabulous coin with accompanying documentation.

This coin reminds me of the first and last T1 & T2 ASE's, all were specially handled, documented, numbered, etc.. I don't believe any of the ASE's were given a SP designation and I'm not sure that this DE should be labeled SP either. It should be documented accordingly as the 4th coin struck and be a wonderful center piece in most collections. It was not specially struck in a manner differing from other DE's made for circulation, or with different dies, or produced for mint inspection, testing, or any other mint function that we know of, and giving this coin a SP designation may only help to broaden the inclusion of other coins graded as such. I agree that it should receive some sort of special descriptor and "presentation" piece seems fitting, along with the notation of being the 4th coin struck.  

Nope. 

On 2/26/2024 at 10:16 PM, Arafat said:

I have a Chinese Dollar from back in 1912 . What's it worth ?

Welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately your coin appears to be a crude counterfeit to my eye and has little to no value. 

Nice accent piece for the collection Mr. B. 

I think I have a waffled SBA$ laying around somewhere.

On 2/23/2024 at 4:08 PM, Zebo said:

Beats me if it is an AI error or just the person cataloging it. Pretty weird listing in any event.

I was hoping that the listing would discourage people from bidding and that I would be able to pick this up for a deal. No such luck this time.

The listing for this piece, and a few others, is what prompted my previous thread on GPT descriptions.

On 2/23/2024 at 3:49 PM, Zebo said:

Since we are talking semantics - here is a good one for you posted by a well known auction house. What’s wrong with their description???

 

 

AND - they listed this piece as they did even though it is correctly described on the TPG holder. Maybe its an AI listing.

I had placed a bid on this one. 

The use of the word token is what popped out at me when I saw the listing previously. I'm not sure it's an AI description or not, a pretty short one if it is.

On 2/22/2024 at 8:33 PM, RWB said:

A legitimate pattern piece is made only by the government or by direct commissioning of such work.

If any privately made, non-commissioned piece includes the national identifier and a legal tender valuation, then is a correctly called a counterfeit coin.

Morbiducci was invited by the Irish government to submit designs, after which he was paid £50. It would interesting to know who retained the copyrights of the designs once submitted and if it was dependent on being selected for use in the final design. 

These pieces may not fit your or the U.S. Mint's definition of a pattern but I would classify them as a pattern of some sort. Counterfeit? Not even close imo unless there was some sort of copyright infringement if the government owned the rights to the designs once submitted. 

On 2/22/2024 at 5:40 PM, RWB said:

The piece is NOT an Irish Republic pattern piece. It is a privately made token imitation. There are authentic Irish patterns made on authority of the government, but this piece is not one of them.

I think we all agree that it is a privately made piece which was not commissioned by the government but presumably by the artist who submitted the designs to the committee. Why could there not be patterns for unaffiliated medals or tokens? Why couldn't a private party commission patterns of prospective designs? Perhaps Morbiducci medal or design pattern would be a better description.