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Posts posted by EleMint Man
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Most likely PCGS and NGC will be around 20 years from now with most of their grading done on foreign coins, especially Chinese ones. Unless there is a boom in numismatics in the U.S then, the TPG's will have more offices abroad
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On 8/28/2019 at 8:18 PM, Zebo said:
Not sure if I'd want to slab mine. Odds are its a 70.
Agree. I prefer most of my medals raw though on high end rarities, an assigned grade makes them interesting.
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Seems they pop up at auction every 1/2 dozen years. This one looks like it's got fingerprints all over it.
https://coinweek.com/prices/rare-1964-sms-kennedy-half-dollar-sells-47k/
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On 8/6/2019 at 5:49 AM, MarkFeld said:
While you’re going to be correct in the vast majority of cases, that’s still an unnecessary and misleading exaggeration. There are still a number of extremely rare coins that have not yet been graded and they turn up from time to time.
I was thinking of discouraging beginner and intermediate collectors from buying fakes or replicas at high prices. I should have written "If it isn't in a holder, it's more than likely it's a fake or a replica."
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At it's high point, PCGS valued it at $10,000. Eventually the value dropped below $6,000 as I recall and now is valued at $8,000. If it were cracked now and sent to NGC, what designation would be attributed to this illustrious Rossie? My guess would be MS67, Maybe MS67+.
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https://www.pcgs.com/cert/03572701
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On 2/8/2019 at 12:31 PM, numisport said:
This being an old thread, it would be interesting to see how many more 64-D dimes have been graded in 68 FB since that post in 2016. Let's include NGC pops as well. Also let's see if the 10k value has dropped way down or is PCGS registry 'add on' the real attraction here. Before I look at census numbers for 68 graded coins I would look at the mark free 67 Star coins first.
Yes I see there is still only one at PCGS and I wonder how it would compare to the single NGC coin (or is it the same coin) ? I would rather see a comparison to a 67 Star coin because I just don't see this dime in a 68 holder. Dimes are small coins and if those reverse torch problems are hits rather than planchet problems........ game over.
One graded MS68 FB. by PCGS and one MS68 FT by NGC. No info as to ICG or ANACS. Old thread come back to life!
Check out Buffaloheads post. A truly remarkable story destined for the history books!
Still only one graded by PCGS. Highly doubtful there will ever be another graded @ MS68.
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It's still top pop.
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Thanks for all the great comments. This has been epic!
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Missed this one for I didn't look any further after finding the first m67+. I assumed there would be only one in this auction. Who would have thought there be would two!? This example is a much better comparison imo. The toning is nice though not stellar and it looks to be problem free.
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Agreed. Those are some nasty hits on the field, olive leaf and torch. They would bother me in any grade. Makes the olive branch look like it has a oblong head with a idol like face!
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As I recall the 60s when I started collecting, Coin collecting used to be more fun, back when whizzed coins were common, counterfeits were everywhere, and the same coin was BU when purchased and EF when sold. Yeah, I can see the response to this comment now: People should learn to recognize whizzed coins, detect counterfeits, and how to grade. What a great hobby...I have to study, study, study rather than simply relax and enjoy.
These are the golden days of collecting. Encapsulated coins are (virtually) never whizzed nor counterfeit. With the ever-increasing sophistication of counterfeits, that last fact is very reassuring. Plus the encapsulation means that when my kids were much younger, I could let them look at my coins with no fear of harm coming to the coins. Grading remains an issue, but much less so with the big 2 (or 3) grading companies.
Plus, no one tells me that I have to chase "grade rarities" (such as the coin featured in this thread way back at the start) and pay a hefty price to acquire them. I can do so if I want or I can choose to pass. Moreover, if others want to collect these sorts of coins because they enjoy doing so, more power to them. Let them have a good time because their good times have no effect on me.
Mark
You said it in the true spirit of collecting for the joy of it. No negativity here!
Part of the fun being a serious collector at least for me, is the learning process by educating myself. In the end, I make the decisions, not a dealer or a slab!!
Here is a Roosie that tied for the second finest known example of a 1964 D.
Strategically anticipating some expert analytical comparisons to "Just Having Fun"
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Like I said Lou!
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If you can get a green bean on it, then the ceiling is significantly higher.
Best, HT
Be very hard for that to happen as, if one knows CAC or bothers to look at their website...."Ten Cents (Dimes) 1796-1945 " is what they do.
No dimes after 1945 (ie...all Roosevelts)......
Now, one could go and try to QA it, but not sure what that would add....
I think HT's post was sarcasm.
The first time I saw a QA "Beaner", it looked somewhat impressive and I thought it
might be affiliated with CAC because a nice Eisenhower I was looking at had both stickers on it! I asked around and no one could tell me what the QA sticker was all about so I found this awhile back..... http://qacoins.com/. Well organized site with a complete listing of the coins they've evaluated. Combine a CAC and QA on a star holder and one would truly have a decorated slab that could be called a "Generals Holder"! After going back to the original listing of the illustrious "Rosie" that was the center piece of this thread, this gem appeared on the screen....
I don't think there will be any disputing this one!
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You are a NGCIA guy I presume Mr.Macknowitall, no? This world has quite an abundance of "Knowitalls" with Rush Limbo being at the forefront...uh was at the
forefront, heh.
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I'm very pleased and excited about all the comments on this informative and intense thread.
Special thanks to you Wondercoin! The wealth of detailed, eloquently written comments by
some of whom are at the top of this field is phenomenal! I'm humbled by this "Meeting of the Minds".
I look forward to seeing the auction results on Heritage of this illustrious coin!
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One can verify a cert # for an NGC slab simply by entering the # in the cert
verification block on the NGC home webpage site without being a member. A
brief description of the coin denomination and the grade appears. However, no
picture appears. I assume a picture often appears if one is a Collector's society
member. It has been so long since I was a member I can't recall if a picture
appeared. Secondly, one can't access the census unless one is a member.
However, I don't possess any population in high value numbers so I am not too
concerned with skewed numbers by resubmisssions although I suppose MS62
may be skewed too.
NGC started scanning coins that were submitted several years ago and once the
verification number is typed in, the coin and slab will show up. The scans are on
the dark side and it's difficult to gauge the eye appeal from the images. Coins
submitted prior to their scanning feature will not show an image but the same
info will show up.
The images are copyrighted!
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"A distraction is a distraction, no?
What is and is not a distraction is subjective. Make the determination for yourself. The grade on a slab is nothing more than a from of price guide. If you treat it as such, as a guide and not the gospel, you buy the coins you like for the prices you are willing to pay.
The grade on a slab will never be anything more than a form of price guide. You cannot improve upon subjectivity.
Absolutely! The same principle applies to raw coins though unless money is of
no concern, like that's not a problem for most folks! Some research
should be done and if you don't know how to grade well, have someone who can, grade it.
On a light note, I spotted some mighty large coin like objects orbiting this planet
while grading a Apollo 11 medal.....
Enjoy!
"Just Having Fun" MS68 PCGS Slab!
in US, World, and Ancient Coins
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Agreed. Some nice colors there!