GoldFinger1969

Still can't believe that costume got past the old ABC censors !! Saw her on an old episode of "2 1/2 Men" and she STILL looks good past 70 !!!

I see that Gov.mint is now offering coins from the Fairmont Collection; video here too: https://www.govmint.com/reserveplus?ad=987PM&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5IGG2azbhQMV2FtHAR1ZqwIEEAAYASAAEgLyWvD_BwE $5 and $10 gold pieces; the Eagle sells for just over $2,500 for a 1907P. Not sure if that is high relative to the market for 1/2 ounce of gold for the final issue of the Liberty Head design. I also saw a TV commercial for the Fairmont coins yesterday, but missed who sponsored it; could have been Gov.mint or another firm.

How about any of the Big National Shows -- FUN, Long Beach, ANA, etc. -- having vendor and public attendnace so we can do an apples-to-apples comparison ? Not looking for exact numbes, just ballpark.

That's interesting because unless the auctioner is a numismatist like in the days of old (i.e., David Akers) most of the time the auction houses (esp. non-numismatic ones) would rely on the experts, right ? The more important question is what is the variance...how far do the grades swing and WHERE ? If the grades swing between 64-66 and the real money is at 67, no harm...no foul. But swings at key inflection points -- shout out to the infamous CU Franklin Gradeflation thread !! -- are HIGHLY controversial and problematic and the real source of contention. Nobody gives a damn if a 1924 Saint gets an MS-62 or MS-63 grade. Even the CAC bean probably doesn't matter much.

What's not realistic about an eagle standing on its legs ?

Haven't read a page yet, just bought a good/new copy because they disappear as they're in limited supply. Look at what happened with Roger's book -- I can't buy a copy for my uncle. Probably summer reading....want to re-read the Whitman Red Books on DEs, FMTM, RWB's Saints book -- all a 2nd time.

Congrats...NOW you can count on spending your riches. Seriously, congratulations on a great find. It appers to be worth a few hundred dollars.

I love the Eagle-in-Flight pose better. It's very majestic. As I recall (I'm sure it's in Roger's RoAC books)...Teddy Roosevelt said that the eagle on the Liberty Head DE looked like a grilled squab.

A guy with 3 posts endorsing the validity of a "find" by a guy with 1 post ? I'd await the entry of Sandon & Friends before I started counting my riches....

It's a nickel.

Excellent points. I agree: we here on these Forums are certainly SERIOUS or ACTIVE collectors. Most people might fall into the LAPSED or INACTIVE categories.

Probably less of a concern now with CACG but there are lots of stories about this in the affirmative. I'll leave it to the vets here to discuss.

I'm not a gold bug either, HC....but if you look at all those charts I have posted in recent weeks, the supply-demand fundamentals look better at any time other than maybe 1971 or 2001. EVERYTHING is lined up perfectly, and that's not giving any credit to a geopolitical adventure by Iran, Russia, or China. I'm not prepared to give the super-bullish targers of $10,000 or other fanciful numbers I see thrown about....but I see $3,500 - $5,000 as right in the bullseye zone.

When did annealing cease being used in the U.S. and/or other countries -- any idea ? I presume it is NOT being used today. I guess the technological improvements make the surface gloss attractive without the nitric bath so that might be one reason it's not used today (plus it's costly and time-consuming).

Recent Saint Sales: A PCGS MS-67 Saint went for $9,600 including bp. Prices had been over $10K during Covid. The only other Saint in MS-67 that is cheaper is the 1908 NM. A PCGS 1910-D in MS-66 sold for $9,700 including bp. This was surprising....an MCMVII HR AU-55 Details ANACS coin sold for $8,000, all-in. And an AU-58 Details went for $9,600. A 1908 NM MS-65 CACG sold for just over $3,000. Interesting, as Artie Johnson used to say.... Finally... a bunch of National Park Foundation Commemoratives using various ASG themes and images had multiple issues in Gem Proof sell for about 5-7% over spot gold which IMO is pretty good for the buyers. And a 1995-W ASE PR70-DCAM sold for just over $12,300.

I wonder if there was any consideration to using the same $20 DE design for the Eagle, Half Eagle, etc. ?

Must-read article from Ambrose Evans-Pritchard from the UK Telegraph. Looks like the Chinese might be the inelastic buyer: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/16/gold-price-surge-china-warchest-geopolitical-dystopia/

Any hard numbers ?

If you believe the anti-central bank spiel....and don't like/trust/understand Bitcoin or crypto....there's only one thing you want.... GOLD.

Any decent trade organization -- dealers, PNG, ANA, etc. -- should have hard numbers on this as I have said numerous times here. I would NOT count someone as a collector who did the State Quarter program and then has the books collecting dust in a closet. There are different levels of baseball, football, and sports fans. But whether they watch EVERY game or just SOME of them, they have to have SOME interest. They may not have season tickets or even goto a game, but they have to at least WATCH a game. They have to have SOME knowledge of who is doing well and who is stinking up the joint. Similarly, a coin collector to me should be someone who is at least ACTIVE in either buying or doing the things necessary to PREPARE for a future purchase: reading a book....posting on a forum ()....attending a show....visiting an LCS....online article research...whatever.

So the spike UP has held ? They didn't roundtrip in price ? I know for gold that the rising price of the metal since 2020 has provided support so I presume silver's rising price has done the same.

Even AU-condition coins from "The Fab Five" -- 1929-1932 Saints -- would be a game changer if we even got a few dozen of each. If QDB's bank rep was correct and you could get tens of thousands of DE's/Saints in the 1960's from Swiss banks, then there could be some more hoards of common s and/or worn coins coming over as you state. Maybe mixed in with the occasional numismatic !! However, going on over 60 years since that time, the original owners of the SDBs from the 1930's have certainly passed on, and their heirs should now be getting up there in age unless it was something bequeathed to a future heir or a child (90 years since FDR's gold prohibition). As the Fairmont Hoard shows....even if secrecy is maintained, the drip-drip-drip of any population game-changer will be noticed.

It's almost like you are describing what happened to baseball cards, circa the mid-1960's: cards destroyed....being thrown out....treated shabbily....and then a demand surge for the next few decades

How much of that rise is a result in the price of silver rising -- that sets the floor for some of these coins ? I do agree with you on the low-hanging fruit being bid up, no doubt. The people with stimulus checks in 2020 and 2021 were buying lower-priced stuff in lower grades that they could afford, i.e, large denomination bills in medium grade, silver coins as opposed to gold.

Numbers ?