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There are many really nice 24's, currently on a facebook group for pre 33 gold two reputable sellers have sweet MS64's for sale. One is NGC with CAC green bean priced at $2,585, the other is in a CAC MS64 holder at $2,560. So be sure to shop around, there are some really good coins at great prices outside of a brick and mortar shop.

Well lets start with some ground rules, as you are admittingly a beginner it is very unlikely that you are qualified to grade coins in the uber gem MS67 and above grades the same as a TPG grader. I am not saying that to be mean or dump on your grading skills, but it is just true that it takes years and looking at tens of thousands of coins to learn to grade like a TPG grader. It is just not as simple as two marks = MS68 and three marks = MS67, there is a lot more to grading than how many marks a coin has on it. Just because you think your 82-D zinc matches or would grade as MS67RD using the photograde feature on the PCGS website, that does not mean that anyone will agree with your grade assessment. So, you might think it's an MS67 but ten other people (including TPG graders) might grade it as MS66 or lower due to many factors other than just how many marks you can count on the coin surface. The severity of the marks, the placement of the marks, these and many other factors determine the grade, and those will not always weigh the same from person to person. Grading is highly subjective, especially so as the grades get closer to the top grades; and then you add in the human element. Professional graders often do not agree with each other on some coins. Grading is not a mathematical equation, and grades can (and there are many well documented cases of such) and do change over time depending on who is doing the grading at any point in time. As I type this reply there is a thread on another forum about a Kennedy half dollar that was sold in Jan as an MS66, it was just resold this month with a new grade of MS67+, same coin just a new grade and a very drastic change in value. And this type of thing happens quite often; here is a screen shot of the coin in question. So as you can see from this one example even professional graders do not always agree on a grade, this coin received a full point and a half grade bump (which incidentally I do not agree with) since the first auction in Jan. So it's no surprise that you will receive different grade and value estimates on any raw coin that you ask about. This is especially true with modern coins like your 82-d where a point change (sometimes even only a half a point) in grade can make a big difference in value. And we have only begun to scratch the surface here, going back to your 82-d coin, remember that when you post a coin and ask for grade/value assessments, the people that reply are not grading the coin, they are grading your photo. Photos have limitations and even the very best photos may not fully represent what the coin looks like when viewed by the human eye in hand. Another issue when you ask questions on the internet is that you have no idea of the experience level of those who reply. Some may know a great deal more than you, but it is just as likely that some who reply may know squat. Here again is just another reason why your grade may differ from everyone else, I could go on for days but hopefully what I have written can help you to understand that grading is a very complex and nuanced action.

It would if it was, but it's not so it doesn't.

Welcome to the forum, impossible to tell with well worn coins what may or may not have been missing when the coin was struck (struck not stamped no postage is due). Many coins have some areas that are weakly struck or not struck at all due to some debris or grease that can be on one if the coin dies. These are referred to as grease strike throughs, and while they may be interesting, they do not add any numismatic value to the coin. Your coin may have been struck from dies with grease, but even if it were the time in circulation and the marks it has obtained make all that moot.

Just some glue, no idea why anyone would want to glue two cents together. While it is possible that these were glued together neither is an error of any kind.

Please do not start or post the same questions in multiple threads, that just gets very confusing for everyone. As I replied in the other thread that you quoted me, yes this is a common copper small date minted in Philly where millions were minted. I see no signs of any type of doubling.

I see nothing special about it.

Yes that is a small date, however, you are aware that there were millions of 1982 small dates minted at the Philadelphia mint correct? The one that everyone is searching for (and wasting their time doing so) is the small date copper cent that was mistakenly struck at the Denver mint and will have a D mintmark, of which so far only two have ever been found.

Both Greenstang and Icutler are correct, @Baby Jolynnyour coin is just damaged there are no mint errors as was erroneously posted above. If you like it there is no reason you cannot keep it, but it has no value over the face value of 25 cents.

Welcome to the forum, it is best to start your own thread rather than piggyback on an old thread, it can be confusing when several coins and members are posting different coins on the same thread asking questions. I cannot see what you see in the photos you have provided, please always provide in focus, cropped, and properly oriented photos. Can you provide closeups of the areas you have questions about?

I see die deterioration doubling just one of the many worthless types of mechanical doubling, this type of doubling is interesting and trips up many collectors. There is another thread with even more dramatic looking die deterioration here in the forum that a member has spent considerable money on grading fees to find it is just money gone.

Looks like dye or paint as the rims and some of the high points are more nickel color.

This is the composition that I am aware of, however, most of the time it is very easy to determine a zinc cent by how it looks. There is really no way to have a coin with a composition of 65% zinc 34% copper, the logical explanation is the analysis was flawed.

Congrats on your newps!

There are thousands (tens of thousands) of copper plated fakes out in the world, it is not impossible yours is real but my bet is that you have one of those fakes. As you have the information, where, how, and from whom was this coin purchased?

Just a point to help you understand how important the full photos are. Notice the silver area around the bottom of the mintmark, that is the zinc core showing because the copper plating split at the time the coin was minted. This is called split plating as greenstang mentioned in his post. That would automatically tell us that the coin could only be a zinc core copper plated coin, but in your closeup that does not appear silver so it was not possible to confirm without the full obv photos. Mistakes happen as long as you are having fun its all good, but please keep in mind that so far there are only 2 (or is it three I forget) examples of copper 1982-D small date cents found. Regardless of what you may have read on the internet the chances of finding one are not in your favor, I have been collecting coins for 40+ years specializing in Lincoln cents and I don't have a scale and have never weighed a coin in my life.

Is it graded as AU details? Because I cannot see why NGC would give a coin with this much damage a straight AU grade. There is no die doubling on this coin, just some extreme strike doubling.

This section of the forum is for selling coins your post is not following any of the guidelines posted in the top sticky post for using the marketplace and selling coins. I suggest you look at the coin after you are sober or off the drugs, just a normal stained coin.

We can play guess the damage all day but that is all it is guessing, I would bet this is a dryer coin you can google it for a more in-depth explanation. But however the coin was damaged it is just that damage not an error.

Looks like damage and dirt to me.

The missing letters are most likely from a grease filled die as greenstang wrote, technically an error but it happens so often that it is very minor and adds nothing to the value of the coin. The doubling of the cloud is just worthless strike doubling.

Not a double die just some strike doubling, it is common on the zinc core copper coated coins to see this ghostly looking secondary image under high magnification. This is a small date, but it has all the hallmarks of a zinc core copper plated coin, photos of the full obv are needed, are you sure about that weight, perhaps mixed it up with another coin? The almost missing initials of the rev is likely from overpolishing of the die, difficult to say for sure without a full shot of the rev. Please in the future we need full cropped in focus photos of both sides, there are other markers on the coin that are needed for us to help you.

Ok just a generic holder that looks like an NGC holder, thanks.

What does the label on the holder this coin is in say?