Coinbuf

On 5/17/2024 at 9:59 AM, Just Bob said:

The original post about this coin, showing it in a PCGS details holder, can be found about halfway down the page in this thread: https://boards.ngccoin.com/topic/431781-1982-d-small-date-bronze-penny/#comment-9872540

Thanks Bob, this seemed familiar but I didn't check his previous threads.   Funny thing tho, while he does show a cracked genuine PCGS slab in that thread you linked he doesn't show the front of the slab where the coin info would be.  I wonder if that is the real or correct slab for this coin,  somehow I doubt that we will ever know for sure.

On 5/17/2024 at 1:29 AM, MeganHV said:

So crazy though they are in exact same place and markings.. any thought s on how identical they are?

One possible explanation is that the op returned the coin to the banking system and you received it in the rolls you searched.   A clear possibility if you and the op happen to live in the same area.  Damage is damage no matter how or how often it happens.  Only the person that damaged this (these) coin really knows what was done. 

The edge looks silver in your awful microscope photos.  Pro tip, if you want help provide good crooped photos of both sides of the coin not screen shots like these.  And also be more transparent with the information.   What did you try and try, does that mean you submitted the same coin more than once?  Who did the metallurgical testing and using what equipment?  Why do you not show a photo of the raw coin on a scale to demonstrate the weight?

All you have posted are accusations and extraordinary claims with no evidence to back up those claims.  I'm not sure what you think anyone here can do to help without better information and evidence of your claims.

On 5/17/2024 at 7:17 AM, ronday said:

Haven't had much luck in the past, main reason I don't do much with NGC any more. I don't really compete in their registry. Will likely just cross it over to PCGS.

It has been my experience that NGC will fix a problem like this at no cost to you usually very quickly.   Sending to PCGS will cost both time and money, but certainly your choice. 

Not a DDO, just some worthless strike doubling.   This happens when the  die is loose in the press, and it happens quite often hence the no added value.

You need to ditch the microscope; the full photo of the coin tells the tale, but you lose perspective with the microscope and that leads to your wrong diagnosis.

It would be very helpful to know what you are trying to add and to what sets.   The only thing I can think of right off would be if you are trying to add a PCGS graded coin to a world set.

Without any further information and photos of the rev and the edge the best guess is simple environmental staining, as greenstang noted it may have been buried in the ground.  In the future if you want help you need to help us by providing good cropped in focus photos of all three sides of the coin, obv, rev, edge.   In addition the weight (to two decimal places), diameter, and thickness may be needed to give you a correct answer.   In the case of this coin there are a couple of real mint errors that can look like this but without a weight and the proper photos we cannot be sure.

That is not a "B" it is damage, a hit from the reeded edge of another coin most likely.   You can tell its damage because there is metal piled up around the hit where the displaced metal was moved.   That doesn't happen when a coin is struck.

On 5/15/2024 at 5:45 PM, Nanospectralagent said:

May 15th and the site isn't working in Edge either.

Welcome to the forum, I'm using edge with no issues, what about the NGC site is not working for you?

Just worthless types of strike doubling, not true die doubling. 

On 5/12/2024 at 6:14 PM, piggymeu said:

I look at  coins with strips and they are called tiger strips would my dime have these tiger strips 

No this is just stained.   Btw, this section of the forum is for questions and discussions about and for the NGC registry.   General questions like this should be posted in the newbie or US coin sections of the forum as you did with your Lincoln cent.

Just some glue left over from when this was glued to a promotion card or something else was glued to it, or general gunk from inside a pants pocket.   It may resemble the rev, and the rev of a memorial cent may have been what was glued to this coin, but it did not leave the mint like that.   IF you soak the coin in pure acetone that glue should fall/dissolve off or become soft enough to peel off.

Between the wash spots (which I find distracting), spot on the memorial, and the numerous marks on both the obv and rev I don't see this one going higher than MS65.

Why do you think this is a wide AM cent?   As to grade it might squeak thru as an MS66, but it's not worth sending for grading at that level.

Not just damaged, mutilated from a tank running it over in a parking lot; it did not leave the mint looking like that.

Well it will be helpful to get some of the terminology correct.   The DOD (Department of Defense) is not all that concerned with coins.   A D over D mintmark is called an RPM (repunched mint mark) and is represented as D/D or referred to by the RPM # when writing about it.

Your coin looks to be a match for RPM-003, however, there are a number of RPM's for this date/mm and a few look very similar.   I suggest that you review the RPMs shown on Variety Vista to see if you agree with a match for RPM-003   NGC does attribute several of the 1957-D RPM's if that is a choice you are considering, however I do not think there is tremendous demand for them from collectors.

I do not see any true doubling, just some very minor and worthless strike doubling.   Your third photo looks to be a small stain of some type.

On 5/11/2024 at 9:01 AM, dsgonzin said:

 do you think it may be best to send it in and have them grade it? What do you think

No

Your photos are of a 1969 and a 1968, two different coins in very different states of preservation, that is why they don't match.

Does not appear to match up with the photos for fs-101 to me.

Look at the numerals, like the mm there is ghosting and shadows around them too.  I think what you are seeing is an effect of harsh lighting, far too much magnification along with the worn mm punch.

Both of these were submitted by bulk submitters, bulk submitters have some extra options that are not available to regular public.   In both of these cases the submitter did not want a numerical grade only submitted for authenticity verification.   While I'm only speculating, it's possible that the submitter didn't want a numerical grade as they thought it might be easier to sell at their grade, which might be a higher grade then what NGC would have assigned.   Another scenario is that these many have been slabbed by one the TV coin sellers, basically for the same reason.

As to the terminology I don't believe there is any special relevance or hidden meaning, the words Genuine and Circulated were likely requested/specified by the submitter.   NGC does allow for special labels and many bulk submitters use that option.   Coins like this are where you really have to be able to grade coins yourself and identify cleaned coins.

On 5/7/2024 at 5:31 AM, VDBCoins said:

I haven't participated on these boards much for years, until recently when I decided to list my Toned Lincolns and some nice gold type coins. From reading older CAC-related posts, I understand that the NGC Registry no longer has the capability to look up and see which newly added coins have CAC approval. Nonetheless, a few of my coins in the inventory list that I can see show CAC green beans. Not that I mind ... but why do they show them when many others do not? What is the difference that makes this happen? As an excellent example, I have a 1911-S Lincoln MS65BN PCGS CAC, cert # 81849610, which shows the green bean. Yet I have an even nicer 1911-S, MS66BN PCGS CAC, cert # 44929830, where the CAC green bean does not show (except on my own homemade shot which I posted). Explain please? Thanks for any info.

Kind regards,

George

Hi George, while I cannot be sure the one possible reason I can think of is that those coins which do show the bean were likely part of someone's set when NGC did recognize the beans.  So the system already has that data in memory for that coin.

Yep JP is correct this is die erosion.  As a die wears with use the edges of the letters and devices start to become rounded.   That allows some of the metal that would be contained by those edges to squeeze out at the time the coin is struck.   Which gives this appearance.