Buffalo Nickel 1917 1 1

[sand-8]

Need help to graduation and valuation Buffalo Nickel.

Thank you

[RWB]

Very Fine condition. Worth about $40.

[dprince1138]

It seems to be in very nice condition.  From the image, right off hand, I would give it a grade of XF

The NGC price guide indicates the value of an XF grade of about $195.

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/united-states/nickels/24/varieties/13935/

https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/united-states/nickels/buffalo-five-cents-1913-1938/13935/1917-d-5c-ms/?des=ms

 

[Just Bob]

I would call this one VF, and put the value at around $60 - $70, judging by recent sales on Ebay. That is, assuming it is genuine. 

[dprince1138]

1917 D with grades VF\XF on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dcat=139806&_fsrp=1&rt=nc&_from=R40&Grade=XF%2040|VF%2035|XF%2045|VF%2030|VF%2025&LH_All=1&Mint%20Location=Denver&_nkw=1917&_sacat=139806

The first 2 images are XF, the second 2 images are VF, of course, XF and VF both have sub ratings, depending upon additional clarity.

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by dprince1138

[Sandon]

   Welcome to the NGC chat board. 

   First of all--and I am troubled that no one has mentioned this previously--your coin is a 1917-D Buffalo nickel, not a 1917, as indicated by the small "D" beneath "FIVE CENTS". The mintmark on a coin is just as important as its date and type in identifying and valuing the coin. A 1917-D (Denver mint issue) has a higher list value at all grade levels than a 1917 (Philadelphia mint issue).

   Based on the photos, your coin grades Extremely Fine (40) or better in details but has an odd whiteness that suggests that it has been "cleaned", meaning that the original surface has been stripped or disturbed by chemicals or abrasives, an impairment that would reduce is value and salability.  This cannot be determined conclusively through photos, though shots from different lighting angles would help.

   Assuming that the coin is unimpaired, an Extremely Fine 1917-D Buffalo nickel lists $195 in the NGC Price Guide, $150 in the current monthly issue of Coin World, and $169 in this quarter's CPG Coin & Currency Market Review. These are retail (dealer selling, not buying) prices. "Cleaning" could reduce the value by a third or half, perhaps more.

   It is essential that a collector learn how to grade and otherwise evaluate coins. Do you have a print grading guide or at least refer to PCGS Photograde Online, https://www.pcgs.com/photograde? Additionally, do you have a current (2024) or recent issue of A Guide Book of United States Coins, commonly known as the "Redbook"?

   

[sand-8]

On 17.11.2023 at 01:08, Sandon said:

   Добро пожаловать в чат NGC. 

   Прежде всего — и меня беспокоит, что никто не упомянул об этом раньше — ваша монета — пятицентовая монета «Баффало» 1917- D  , а не 1917 года, на что указывает маленькая буква «D» под надписью «ПЯТЬ ЦЕНТОВ». Отметка монетного двора на монете так же важна, как ее дата и тип, для идентификации и оценки монеты. 1917-D (выпуск монетного двора Денвера) имеет более высокую прейскурантную стоимость на всех уровнях, чем 1917 год (выпуск монетного двора Филадельфии).

   Судя по фотографиям, ваша монета имеет оценку Extremely Fine (40) или выше по деталям, но имеет странную белизну, которая предполагает, что она была «очищена», то есть первоначальная поверхность была очищена или повреждена химическими веществами или абразивами. Это ухудшение, которое снизит его ценность и продаваемость. Это невозможно определить с помощью фотографий, хотя снимки с разных углов освещения могли бы помочь.

   Если предположить, что монета не повреждена, то никель Extremely Fine 1917-D Buffalo стоит 195 долларов в справочнике цен NGC, 150 долларов в текущем ежемесячном выпуске Coin  World  и 169 долларов в  обзоре рынка монет и валют CPG за этот квартал. Это розничные (дилерские цены продажи, а не покупки). «Чистка» могла бы снизить стоимость на треть-половину, а может и больше.

   Крайне важно, чтобы коллекционер научился сортировать и иным образом оценивать монеты. Есть ли у вас руководство по оценке печати или хотя бы обратитесь к сайту PCGS Photograde Online,  https://www.pcgs.com/photograde ? Кроме того, есть ли у вас текущий (2024 г.) или недавний выпуск «  Справочника монет США»,  широко известного как «Красная книга»?

   

Thanks for the answer. The coin has not been cleaned. Perhaps the light from the camera flash gave this effect. I just can’t take clear pictures with my NIKON D5300. I don't have a macro lens. 

Took a few more pictures under the lamp, maybe they turned out better.

[J P M]

It is a good looking coin . I agree with Sandon's information . I would say EF40 . I would not have it graded it is on the borderline for being worth the cost unless you were building a registry set.  I know dprince is trying to be helpful but. It does not help when you flood the tread with other coins dprince it makes everything more difficult.

Edited November 16, 2023 by J P M

[EagleRJO]

Some may not realize that there are allowances in the ANA grading standards for certain unevenly struck Buffalo nickels with details having weak spots (7th Ed, p125).  There are a number of years and mintmarks noted therein, which includes the op's 1917-D 5C.

https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading-guide/grading-buffalo-five-cents/

[ldhair]

I'll go with EF details cleaned. Nice coin.

[dprince1138]

Context shapes our understanding and interpretation of all the visual material we encounter. Context for images can take many forms, including accompanying text, other images of the same subject, and even cultural knowledge of the audience.

I have given too much credence for others to understand what I have thought of as intutive context.

Of course, reactions could simply be due to a desperate attempt to feel superior.  

[Liam ll]

The multitude of tiny scratches going in the same direction, as well as the tone of the reflection suggests that it has been "cleaned" "whizzed" "polished" 

[powermad5000]

On 11/16/2023 at 6:49 PM, dprince1138 said:

Context shapes our understanding and interpretation of all the visual material we encounter. Context for images can take many forms, including accompanying text, other images of the same subject, and even cultural knowledge of the audience.

I have given too much credence for others to understand what I have thought of as intutive context.

Of course, reactions could simply be due to a desperate attempt to feel superior. 

Most of what you post is out of context or off topic and with incorrect terminology. I refuse to look for anything intuitive in your posts and it has nothing to do with feeling superior. It has to do with they make my head hurt. I spent 45+ years collecting, the last 10+ submitting, and learning from those knowledgeable and expert (many on here before you arrived).  What I see is you pushing your incorrect information around on here. It gives me headaches so I try to skip over it. And it was done again in this post. Using a 1913 D to compare to a 1917 D. SMH! 

[EagleRJO]

On 11/16/2023 at 3:59 PM, dprince1138 said:

1917 D with grades VF\XF on ebay

Please ignore this advice to go to ebay listings to look for grading examples, as the images are almost never high resolution.  Stick with grading examples on CoinFacts or PhotoGrade, or some of the better known auction houses like GC or HA have high resolution images with the listings.

On 11/16/2023 at 4:53 PM, sand-8 said:

The coin has not been cleaned

How do you know that?  Simply since you didnt clean it doesn't mean it wasn't cleaned by someone in the past, and some collectors in the past regularly "wiped" their coins.

[J P M]

On 11/16/2023 at 7:49 PM, dprince1138 said:

Context shapes our understanding and interpretation of all the visual material we encounter. Context for images can take many forms, including accompanying text, other images of the same subject, and even cultural knowledge of the audience.

I have given too much credence for others to understand what I have thought of as intutive context.

Of course, reactions could simply be due to a desperate attempt to feel superior.  

This sounds like something  an AI response would be... 

[Newenglandrarities]

On 11/17/2023 at 6:56 AM, J P M said:

This sounds like something  an AI response would be... 

I had the same exact thought!  I mean, it is getting a little ridiculous.  Dprince, seriously you post statements in all sorts of language, some yours, some seemingly not yours, just a copy-paste from another online source.  The people responding here are very knowledgeable numismatists.  Try (once again) to tone down your responses and please post some original ideas instead of just copying without context what you find online.  Your impression with others here on this site is probably sunk below recovery at this point, but if I were you, I would make an effort anyway