What does it mean when a almost hole is in your coin? 2 2

[Erin33]

Is this a error? Probably not but I gotta ask. What causes something like this ?

thanks!

[The Neophyte Numismatist]

This is not an error, but damage.  This is known by looking closely at the coin.  First, around the indentation, I see displaced metal.  This would not be the case if it were a strikethrough.  Second, I can see damage to the obverse under the "L" in "Liberty".  This means that the indentation was caused after the strike.

Add them both = Post Mint Damage.

[Greenstang]

It has been struck by something. PMD

In the future, please do not use screen shots, they are too pixilated to see fine detail.

[RWB]

RE: "What does it mean when a almost hole is in your coin?"

Erin33 --- OK what do you think it means? What's reasonable? Logical? What makes the most sense? How does this compare to other things with "a almost hole?" 

[cobymordet]

Erin,  You may want to spend some time reading into many of the links offered in the Basic Resources & Glossary.  Regarding aspects of a coin that may look like an "error", check this website out: https://www.error-ref.com/part_xi_-_non_errors/    It will help you to adjust your visual queues when inspecting coins.  All of the links provided in that chat forum, are quite helpful, I refer to them quite often. 

 

[Sandon]

    Such severe damage can be caused by punching a coin with a sharp or pointed object, as apparently happened here, or with a drill. Such damage usually destroys most of any numismatic value the coin may have had.  

   This type of damage should be distinguished from a "strikethrough", a usually minor mint error appearing as a depression on a coin caused by scrap metal or other foreign matter lying on the planchet or adhering to a die when the coin was struck. This 1874 three cent nickel, graded MS 64 by NGC and not designated as an error, shows a strikethrough above the point of Liberty's coronet. Note that no jagged or raised metal appears around the edges of the depression, and the inside of the depression is mostly smooth. Additionally, there is no matching disturbance on the lower reverse opposite the strikethrough, which would be at the right side of the ribbon.

Photos courtesy of Stacks Bowers Galleries.

[Erin33]

On 10/10/2023 at 2:49 PM, Greenstang said:

It has been struck by something. PMD

In the future, please do not use screen shots, they are too pixilated to see fine detail.

Those aren’t screen shots..lol

[Erin33]

On 10/10/2023 at 4:53 PM, cobymordet said:

Erin,  You may want to spend some time reading into many of the links offered in the Basic Resources & Glossary.  Regarding aspects of a coin that may look like an "error", check this website out: https://www.error-ref.com/part_xi_-_non_errors/    It will help you to adjust your visual queues when inspecting coins.  All of the links provided in that chat forum, are quite helpful, I refer to them quite often. 

 

Had no idea this existed..thanks.

[EagleRJO]

On 10/10/2023 at 5:54 PM, Sandon said:

This 1874 three cent nickel ... shows a strikethrough above the point of Liberty's coronet. Note that no jagged or raised metal appears around the edges of the depression, and the inside of the depression is mostly smooth. Additionally, there is no matching disturbance on the lower reverse opposite the strikethrough, which would be at the right side of the ribbon.

It's hard to tell if the op's coin shows raised metal around the hit since the pics are blurry, but there clearly is a corresponding dent on the opposite side of the coin indicative of post mint damage.

On that nickel 1874 three cent piece the depressed area looks a little jagged and seems to go slightly under the point of the coronet, so perhaps that could that be a planchet flaw with a small area that chipped off.  It gets a little blurry when I zoom in.

[Sandon]

On 10/11/2023 at 4:53 PM, EagleRJO said:

On that nickel 1874 three cent piece the depressed area looks a little jagged and seems to go slightly under the point of the coronet, so perhaps that could that be a planchet flaw with a small area that chipped off. 

   Although it's hard to see in the photo, the inside of the depression is bright and lustrous down to the bottom, indicating that the striking of pressure created the depression. This would result from a strikethrough, not a planchet flaw. It really doesn't extend beyond the field.

[Modwriter]

Is it for sale?

[Mike Meenderink]

This coin looks like it was shot with either a pellet gun, bb gun or 22 caliber rifle. The projectile likley impacted the coin and sent it flying so the projectile did not fully penetrate the coin it just made a perfect indent. IMO PMD 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Mike Meenderink

[EagleRJO]

On 10/12/2023 at 2:53 AM, Modwriter said:

Is it for sale?

I have seen this same comment in several recent threads now about potentially damaged coins.  Are you looking to buy these coins, or simply wondering if the coins are being offered for sale?

On 10/11/2023 at 7:22 PM, Sandon said:

Although it's hard to see in the photo, the inside of the depression is bright and lustrous down to the bottom, indicating that the striking of pressure created the depression. This would result from a strikethrough, not a planchet flaw. It really doesn't extend beyond the field.

Is that 1874 3CN a coin you purchased and have in-hand?  Even the high resolution pics from the SB listing archives and NGC certification are not clear if it's a completely smooth depression and seem to show some unevenness at the bottom, although this could just be shadows.

And it appears to be a very unusual jagged shape for which I can't imagine what ended up on the dies that could have been struck through to produce a completely smooth base of that shape and which didn't have any apparent effect on the point of the coronet.

More out of curiosity as it's strangely not labeled by NGC as having an error, and either a struck-through or planchet flaw would both be mint errors.

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-11ADMA/1874-nickel-three-cent-piece-ms-64-ngc

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/1976472-001/64/

[powermad5000]

If the original submitter did not check the box for Mint Error and pay the fee for it to be graded as such, then NGC will straight grade the coin even if it is a legitimate mint error.

If the coin was submitted as a Mint Error and the fee was paid and it still was not attributed, then NGC straight graded the coin and it came back with the reason of "too minor". That depression on the obverse to me is not too minor so I could only guess the coin was originally submitted without it being paid for and checked for a mint error.

Edited October 13, 2023 by powermad5000

[Modwriter]

On 10/13/2023 at 10:00 AM, EagleRJO said:

I have seen this same comment in several recent threads now about potentially damaged coins.  Are you looking to buy these coins, or simply wondering if the coins are being offered for sale?

I am looking to buy @Erin33's quarter if it is for sale for my junk collection.

[Fenntucky Mike]

On 10/13/2023 at 2:00 PM, Modwriter said:

I am looking to buy @Erin33's quarter if it is for sale for my junk collection.

Why not make your own or wait for one to show up in pocket change. 

Buying or placing value above face on a damaged common coin like this is a slippery slope, it leads to misconception and confusion with new collectors. 

[Sandon]

On 10/13/2023 at 1:00 PM, EagleRJO said:

Is that 1874 3CN a coin you purchased and have in-hand?  Even the high resolution pics from the SB listing archives and NGC certification are not clear if it's a completely smooth depression and seem to show some unevenness at the bottom, although this could just be shadows.

    When I have a chance, I will take some of my own photos of this coin and post them on my "Three Cent Nickels" topic on the U.S., World, and Ancient Coins forum. There are many anomalies on coins of this type, though not as often on coins dated after 1870 as on the earlier, higher mintage dates. 

[Modwriter]

On 10/13/2023 at 11:32 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

Why not make your own or wait for one to show up in pocket change. 

Buying or placing value above face on a damaged common coin like this is a slippery slope, it leads to misconception and confusion with new collectors. 

Thanks. I now see that my collecting junk coins can lead to misconception and confusion with new collectors and will not ask if their junk coin is for sale from now on. Yes, my junk collection has come from my pocket change. No fun in making my own. I do buy graded coins at auction, usually in the MS65-66 range, but have a fascination with low ball sets.

[EagleRJO]

On 10/13/2023 at 3:27 PM, Modwriter said:

... a fascination with low ball sets

Yes, a very interesting collecting style which has an impact on the lower end prices sometimes.  With some coins I was following or bidding on I sometimes saw a jump upwards in prices at the lowest end of the available grades which completely baffled me until I found out about "low ball" sets.

On 10/13/2023 at 3:09 PM, Sandon said:

When I have a chance, I will take some of my own photos of this coin ...

I suspected you had this coin in-hand as the available pics didn't seem conclusive or appeared counterintuitive to a strike through, and you are rarely off base when opining definitively.

I am still pondering what could be struck through to produce a smooth depression in that shape, and I assume the appearance that the depressed area slightly encompases the coronet point is just an optical illusion or more shadows.

Perhaps a piece of rounded metal from the machines broke off and ended up with the broken surface flatwise against the obverse [anvil?] die and with the edge right at the tip of the coronet?

Edited October 13, 2023 by EagleRJO

[Modwriter]

On 10/13/2023 at 12:46 PM, EagleRJO said:

Yes, a very interesting collecting style which has an impact on the lower end prices sometimes.  With some coins I was following or bidding on I sometimes saw a jump upwards in prices at the lowest end of the available grades which completely baffled me until I found out about "low ball" sets.

Yes, somebody started a low ball thread awhile back that got me interested in them. I am working on a Seated Liberty Quarter P01 set. The P01 coins can be quite pricey and I haven't seen them at auction yet, but selling on eBay.

[powermad5000]

I do have an 1865 3CN with a Retained Die break. Unfortunately it is an Unc Details coin because it was cleaned. It could be possible a die fragment broke off and got in the strike but came out after the dies lifted. I know there seem to be less cracked dies and clashed dies from about 1869 and moving forward, but this series seems to have been plagued with die issues throughout.

[J P M]

On 10/13/2023 at 11:11 PM, powermad5000 said:

I do have an 1865 3CN with a Retained Die break. Unfortunately it is an Unc Details coin because it was cleaned. It could be possible a die fragment broke off and got in the strike but came out after the dies lifted. I know there seem to be less cracked dies and clashed dies from about 1869 and moving forward, but this series seems to have been plagued with die issues throughout.

It could be a hardened piece of grease . A strike through can be a one time thing a lot of times it is gone after the first hit .   

[Erin33]

On 10/13/2023 at 3:42 PM, Modwriter said:

Yes, somebody started a low ball thread awhile back that got me interested in them. I am working on a Seated Liberty Quarter P01 set. The P01 coins can be quite pricey and I haven't seen them at auction yet, but selling on eBay.

Hi sorry for the late reply..I just found the coin it’s never been submitted..but I would like to submit it hun. Thanks for asking though.

[Modwriter]

On 10/18/2023 at 11:20 AM, Erin33 said:

Hi sorry for the late reply..I just found the coin it’s never been submitted..but I would like to submit it hun. Thanks for asking though.

I would NOT submit your quarter. It may come back with a DETAILS Damaged designation, and would not be a good investment.