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[jimbo27]

I saw this on ebay, seller is from China , 304774855732 is id#. I don't know if it is fake or not.

[RWB]

Here's one certified authentic. Which would you buy?

[Photos by Stack's-Bowers Galleries.]

Edited January 18, 2023 by RWB

[Greenstang]

Definitely a counterfeit from China as are the other listings.

All have been reported and should be removed tomorrow, 

 

[Sandon]

   As one would expect, the coin from China is definitely fake.  All genuine 1794 silver dollars were struck from a single pair of dies. Note how the positions and shapes of the stars and letters on the Chinese coin differ from those on the genuine coin in @RWB's photos. There are many other differences, one of which is that the eagle's eye on the fake is concave and ill-defined, whereas on the genuine coin it is a convex and clear round dot. Unfortunately, this fake could still be deceptive to the ill-informed who wouldn't bother to compare it with photos of genuine examples. 

   Because these coins are so rare, the counterfeiter couldn't get a genuine coin from which to make an impression.  Chinese counterfeits of later series such as Morgan dollars may not have immediately obvious differences from genuine pieces and can be more deceptive.

[RWB]

High resolution relief data can create a machine tool cut die almost identical to an authentic one in all respects. Unlike the "old dayz" the original coin is never touched so nothing is lost from metal movement or shrinkage. One option for Morgan and Peace dollars is to use the extensive database on VMWorld to examine minute  die and variety differences between existing and "newly Chinese" coins. Another is to get accurate XRF data of authentic coins and compare with modern counterfeits.

PS: That eagle's body suit (or oversize "yogurt" pants?) is truly classic Kardasian-style.

Edited January 18, 2023 by RWB

[GoldFinger1969]

Is that a Bald Eagle on the reverse ?

Looks more like one of those rubber chickens I see being thrown at "Svengoolie" on MeTV Saturday Nights !! 

[VKurtB]

Yup, surely is Lardassian. 

[RWB]

On 1/20/2023 at 2:03 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Is that a Bald Eagle on the reverse ?

Looks more like one of those rubber chickens I see being thrown at "Svengoolie" on MeTV Saturday Nights !! 

Shhhhh....that's the great secret of the "All-Seeing Eye" on your dollar bill.

[VKurtB]

On 1/20/2023 at 1:23 PM, RWB said:

Shhhhh....that's the great secret of the "All-Seeing Eye" on your dollar bill.

Don’t encourage the wackos, Roger. They already believe wacky junk. 

[bstrauss3]

Didn't anybody recognize the Spaghetti Hair from the Washington quarters...

[GoldFinger1969]

Would I be wrong in saying that buying raw coins today is more dangersous than 10 years ago ?  25 years ago ?  40 years ago ?  

[gmarguli]

On 1/22/2023 at 10:25 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Would I be wrong in saying that buying raw coins today is more dangersous than 10 years ago ?  25 years ago ?  40 years ago ?  

Depends on what you are scared of. 

Exceptional counterfeits have been around since the beginning of time. Take a look at the contemporary counterfeit ancient coins that fool the experts. The counterfeit US gold coins from the middle east in the 1950s. 

I don't believe it is more dangerous today. Buyers are dumber today than in the past. They have a massive amount of knowledge at their fingertips, but they close their eyes and do stupid things instead.

[VKurtB]

On 1/22/2023 at 12:25 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Would I be wrong in saying that buying raw coins today is more dangersous than 10 years ago ?  25 years ago ?  40 years ago ?  

Measurably more dangerous than ANY past year. The difference year to year in Chinese fakes is HUGE. 

[VKurtB]

On 1/23/2023 at 3:09 PM, gmarguli said:

Buyers are dumber today than in the past.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Winnah, winnah, chicken dinnah! NEVER underestimate the power of modern American stupidity. Election returns prove it. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by VKurtB

[GoldFinger1969]

On 1/18/2023 at 2:17 PM, RWB said:

[Photos by Stack's-Bowers Galleries.]

Is that Eagle on the right Jewish ?  Looks like he's wearing a yarmulke. 

Either that or he's angelic and has a halo over his head.

Roger, please see if the Newman Portal can shed any light on this deep theological question.

Edited January 24, 2023 by GoldFinger1969

[GoldFinger1969]

On 1/20/2023 at 2:23 PM, RWB said:

Shhhhh....that's the great secret of the "All-Seeing Eye" on your dollar bill.

I already knew that....didn't you know that E Pluribus Unum means "We're Watching You" in Latin ?

[RWB]

On 1/23/2023 at 7:07 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Roger, please see if the Newman Portal can shed any light on this deep theological question.

OK. I'll look under "Eagle wearing crushed fez; no tassel."

Edited January 24, 2023 by RWB