1954-S penny Triple Die Dots 2 2

[Hinkle]

I have three coins with die chip in the nine. There's a dot over the Y in liberty ,and a dot under the one in the date to the left. And just a little to the left of that dot There's another dot. All in the same position on all three coins. Doing a little research on these and about die dots would be markers for varietys. The thing is, I'm not seeing RPMs or DDs or anything for these to be somewhat a variety. Some call these dots a die chip and or die gouge. Pretty interesting. 

[RWB]

Interesting die chips and nice that you found 3, presumably from the same original roll. This confirms the obverse die as being the source. Is there anything unique about the reverses?

Edited April 3, 2022 by RWB

[Mr.Bill347]

RWB I can see close AM on two but not the third on the reverse.

[Hinkle]

On 4/3/2022 at 7:54 AM, RWB said:

Interesting die chips and nice that you found 3, presumably from the same original roll. This confirms the obverse die as being the source. Is there anything unique about the reverses?

I've been looking these over since I opened the roll 4 days ago. I just can't see anything that would be unique. Hmmm 

[tj96]

The die markers and chips on the Obv. seem to indicate the coins were struck with the same hammer die.  

Mr. Bill mentions the close AM on the Rev. I wasn't even aware of a wide or close AM on these things.  These two AM's look different to me.  Could this be a variety?  

 

[Hinkle]

On 4/3/2022 at 8:41 AM, tj96 said:

The die markers and chips on the Obv. seem to indicate the coins were struck with the same hammer die.  

Mr. Bill mentions the close AM on the Rev. I wasn't even aware of a wide or close AM on these things.  These two AM's look different to me.  Could this be a variety?  

 

I looked at all three coins, and all three are the same AMs. Doubled checked with other 54s. That would have been a cool variety .

[Just Bob]

According to Variety Vista, the reverse hub used in 1954 was used from '09 - '55. There would be no "close-AM / wide-AM" varieties.

Here is a link to the page with a list of all four reverse hubs

Edited April 3, 2022 by Just Bob

[VKurtB]

On 4/3/2022 at 10:10 AM, Just Bob said:

According to Variety Vista, the reverse hub used in 1954 was used from '09 - '55. There would be no "close-AM / wide-AM" varieties.

Here is a link to the page with a list of all four reverse hubs

There is no AM issue for wheat backs, only the Lincoln Memorial. 

[Hinkle]

The only one im seeing different is the top left coin. Here's a close up, looks like something going on behind the tail of the five. 

[Hoghead515]

On 4/3/2022 at 12:14 PM, Hinkle said:

The only one im seeing different is the top left coin. Here's a close up, looks like something going on behind the tail of the five. 

Looks like grease or debries or something has the 9 filled in on the die dont it?

[VKurtB]

On 4/3/2022 at 11:35 AM, Hoghead515 said:

Looks like grease or debries or something has the 9 filled in on the die dont it?

Cancerous growth. Dr. Pimple Popper will cut it right off. 

[VKurtB]

On 4/3/2022 at 11:14 AM, Hinkle said:

The only one im seeing different is the top left coin. Here's a close up, looks like something going on behind the tail of the five. 

Pretty coin overall. 

[RWB]

A hub defect will be reproduced on millions of coins. A die defect on about 500,000.

A good spot to start looking for die/hub commonalities is on the top surface of the date and inscriptions. These are deep in the die and are more likely to be produced during die/hub manufacture, whereas field defects (such as those near the date) can occur at any stage of die manufacture or use.