Popular Post Walkerfan Posted August 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) Only 50 1844 Seated Liberty Dollars are known in ALL MS grades at both PCGS and NGC combined. Many HAD to have been resubmissions, so even that tiny number is likely inflated. The NGC Census for the 1844 Seated Dollar in MS 61 is just 9/8 with 5 in MS 62, 2 in MS 63 and a single (1) coin in MS 64 with NONE finer! The 1844 is a low-mintage issue with ONLY 20,000 circulation strikes, all from the same die pair. It is also one of the most interesting issues for its many die anomalies. The ONLY MS 62 that has sold in recent history was from the 'Hilt Collection'. It has smoother fields but it is dark and dull in color. The present example is a bright and lustrous with pale-gold toning and Prooflike field qualities. It also is OC Die State b/b. A Top-30 Variety. Misplaced digits 1 and 8 in the gown folds are readily visible with a loupe. The obverse is die doubled, where doubling within the shield creates sharply defined "quad stripes". Double die clashing exists as well, although the dies show no signs of lapping. The strike is a bit soft, at the left-hand stars, the left edge of the rock base, and at S in STATES and the nearby eagle's left-facing shoulder. It's also a centerpiece of the Reference Collection and an OC plate coin in the work: "Liberty Seated Dollars: A Register of Die Varieties", by Osburn. Edited August 6, 2021 by Walkerfan Hoghead515, Woods020, Coinbuf and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Fantastic addition to your collection, congrats! Walkerfan and Henri Charriere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Very nice example! Walkerfan and Henri Charriere 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 I never thought I would find myself complimenting a fellow member on his choice of acquisition -- and forgive me if I offend anyone lurking out there if it appears I am carving out an exception here, but I am going to have to let Walkerfan slide on this one. Yes, I am well aware of the guidelines dictating departures from precedents, but "the fault, dear Brutus is not in our stars / But in ourselves, for we are underlings." Capiche? It takes guts to publicly display a battered and bruised survivor -- deemed "uncirculated," if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black -- but these most unfortunate deficits are readily acknowledged by the OP with a powerfully demonstrated presentation accompanied by professional imaging. To be unsympathetic as to the OP's plight would be inexcusably cruel. As far as the 🐓 man goes, you've done really well here, Walkerfan. With little or no credibility left to jeopardize, I am throwing all my support behind you and your magnificent denticular treasure. (I am not even going to bring up the small matter of that typo on the label. We'll just let sleeping dogs lie.) Best presentation I've seen on the Forum in quite some time! Thanks for sharing it with the congregation. Five 🐓 🐓 🐓 🐓 🐓 Roosters! Walkerfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 When you first posted this, I though you were just showing us a nice coin that was going to be in an upcoming auction, and giving us some background information. I did not realize that you had bought it. Very nice score! Walkerfan and Henri Charriere 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 RETRACTION: What appeared, at first blush, to be a typo to me is in effect an optical illusion. For lack of a better term, "compression" of the last two letters in Osburn on the label suggests an "m," which under enhanced magnification proved to be otherwise. My error. The OP is to be commended for presenting the little-known back-story of this curious coin and its significance in the annals of numismatic history. Walkerfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerfan Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) Thanks, guy for all the positive (I think ) remarks and encouragement. I am becoming somewhat of a Seated Dollar geek! LOL!! I have been reading up on them and searching for them, all over the internet. I am captivated by their beauty, history and scarcity, which are pretty much the same attributes that drew me into Early Walkers. I wasn’t really looking for this date, in particular, but just happened to come across it. When I researched it; I found out how truly scarce it was. I figured that it was a good buying opportunity, as the price was $400 below NGC retail. I guess that it was just in the cards for me. Work hard, do your due diligence, and luck will find you. Edited August 12, 2021 by Walkerfan Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Solid Five (5) Roosters 🐓! None graded higher. Walkerfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerfan Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 9:20 AM, Just Bob said: When you first posted this, I though you were just showing us a nice coin that was going to be in an upcoming auction, and giving us some background information. I did not realize that you had bought it. Very nice score! Thanks, buddy. I appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerfan Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) On 8/12/2021 at 4:04 PM, Quintus Arrius said: RETRACTION: What appeared, at first blush, to be a typo to me is in effect an optical illusion. For lack of a better term, "compression" of the last two letters in Osburn on the label suggests an "m," which under enhanced magnification proved to be otherwise. My error. The OP is to be commended for presenting the little-known back-story of this curious coin and its significance in the annals of numismatic history. The NGC software would not allow me to post the full name of my coin's pedigree, as the diminutive of 'Richard' has been deemed obscene by the powers that be. Edited August 12, 2021 by Walkerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 7:06 PM, Walkerfan said: The NGC software would not allow me to post the full name of my coin's pedigree, as the diminutive of 'Richard' has been deemed obscene by the powers that be. That's okay. The coin speaks majestically for itself. Great find! Walkerfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerfan Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 7:12 PM, Quintus Arrius said: That's okay. The coin speaks majestically for itself. Great find! Thanks, coin brother. I'm really happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerfan Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) On 8/12/2021 at 6:57 PM, Quintus Arrius said: Solid Five (5) Roosters 🐓! None graded higher. Theoretically, I could do better but WHEN? And at what cost? And would the eye appeal be as nice? So, my mindset was: "A bird in the hand is much better than two (or another) in the bush". I also love that it is PROOFLIKE.........That makes it SPECIAL. The pedigree is COOL, also. Thanks again, for the kind words. Edited August 12, 2021 by Walkerfan Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 7:28 PM, Walkerfan said: The pedigree is COOL, also. "The provenance is COOL, also." Walkerfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 2:02 PM, RWB said: "The provenance is COOL, also." Okay, okay, okay! Walkerfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerfan Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 2:02 PM, RWB said: "The provenance is COOL, also." My term is also correct. https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/pedigrees/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 5:29 PM, Walkerfan said: My term is also correct. https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/pedigrees/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 5:29 PM, Walkerfan said: My term is also correct. https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/pedigrees/ Pedigree is only correct if your coin is breeding stock. Who were your coin's parents? NGC's use is incorrect, and always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 5:29 PM, Walkerfan said: My term is also correct. https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/pedigrees/ absolutely correct...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 7:01 PM, RWB said: Pedigree is only correct if your coin is breeding stock. Who were your coin's parents? NGC's use is incorrect, and always has been. totally not true....same old garbage as before.....just cant give up that bone nor admit its not correct...sad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Provenance or Pedigree? You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to. As long as we all know what we are talking about, let us resolve to settle our differences amicably, and to live out our lives as Providence decrees. 🐓 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
