Popular Post J P M Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Tridmn said: What I am saying in retrospect, in a black or even a different color light other than white light a better way to actually check and look at coins? 2 hours ago, VKurtB said: What you are seeing here is a perfectly normal E greatly affected by bizarre lighting angles. There is no doubling here. Sometimes to much light on a shiny scratched up surface can mirror effect the item to make it look like it is more than it is. That is what the members here are trying to explain. If you look at the doubling from different angles it will magically go away. KarenHolcomb, Tridmn and Hoghead515 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Tridmn said: If it were under a black light would that serve as a better way to see it then No, it would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tridmn said: What I am saying in retrospect, in a black or even a different color light other than white light a better way to actually check and look at coins? The color (wavelength) is largely irrelevant. The problem at work here is the number of light sources and their positions. It is the “other” problem (other than too much magnification) with USB microscopes. I have a stereo optical microscope that also has an LED ring light (a mistake) for illumination. But the 360 degree ring can be switched on and off for each 90 degrees. In other words, there are four quadrants of LED arrays that can be switched off individually. When I do that, I can “see” and “un-see” all kinds of “doubling”, caused by too many “hot” reflections unnaturally lighting the coin’s surface. That is exactly what your scope in doing. Using directional lighting, preferably diffused incandescent, will help you see reality without so much excess reflectivity. The irony is that I know this but I don’t even care about “doubling”, even the “real” kind. Edited June 2, 2021 by VKurtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBrad Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 May I politely inject what a true doubled die looks like. I know this is a Linc but doubling is doubling...... Please move forward and learn what a doubled die is. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time chasing a dead end. The responses you have received regarding your coin are from the best of the best. There is no need to continue to try to convince a professional to believe you have something you do not. Hoghead515 and KarenHolcomb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridmn Posted June 3, 2021 Author Share Posted June 3, 2021 So, what would you suggest? If I back my microscope up then I dont and cant get a good pic. Not one easy to see. So, I am open for your suggestions. The color (wavelength) is largely irrelevant. The problem at work here is the number of light sources and their positions. It is the “other” problem (other than too much magnification) with USB microscopes. I have a stereo optical microscope that also has an LED ring light (a mistake) for illumination. But the 360 degree ring can be switched on and off for each 90 degrees. In other words, there are four quadrants of LED arrays that can be switched off individually. When I do that, I can “see” and “un-see” all kinds of “doubling”, caused by too many “hot” reflections unnaturally lighting the coin’s surface. That is exactly what your scope in doing. Using directional lighting, preferably diffused incandescent, will help you see reality without so much excess reflectivity. The irony is that I know this but I don’t even care about “doubling”, even the “real” kind. Edited yesterday at 07:52 PM by VKurtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tridmn said: So, what would you suggest? If I back my microscope up then I dont and cant get a good pic. Not one easy to see. So, I am open for your suggestions. The color (wavelength) is largely irrelevant. The problem at work here is the number of light sources and their positions. It is the “other” problem (other than too much magnification) with USB microscopes. I have a stereo optical microscope that also has an LED ring light (a mistake) for illumination. But the 360 degree ring can be switched on and off for each 90 degrees. In other words, there are four quadrants of LED arrays that can be switched off individually. When I do that, I can “see” and “un-see” all kinds of “doubling”, caused by too many “hot” reflections unnaturally lighting the coin’s surface. That is exactly what your scope in doing. Using directional lighting, preferably diffused incandescent, will help you see reality without so much excess reflectivity. The irony is that I know this but I don’t even care about “doubling”, even the “real” kind. Edited yesterday at 07:52 PM by VKurtB Does your USB scope have variable magnification? If it does, try taking some test pics at its MINIMUM magnification, rather than zooming way in. Look at them carefully. Turn off jpeg mode and try to save some in a “lossless” file format instead. JPEG artifacts and “digital sharpening” artifacts are adding pixels to your images that are not real parts of the image. Digital scopes are a double edged sword. What they give you in convenience they take away in accuracy. Edited June 3, 2021 by VKurtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridmn Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 On 6/1/2021 at 7:38 PM, VKurtB said: No, it would not. On 6/1/2021 at 6:22 PM, Tridmn said: Have a newer microscope otw. Light and lins go straight up and down. Along with magnification up to 1k. Will probably get that hingh, because you basically said I was no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tridmn said: Have a newer microscope otw. Light and lins go straight up and down. Along with magnification up to 1k. Will probably get that hingh, because you basically said I was no good. Your Microscope is fine you just have to remember to look at the coin from different angles and learn about the die variety's that make a coin look the way it does. I am still learning every day. I roll hunt for errors and find stuff all the time but is it the real deal 99% of the time it is not. It is a worn out die or grease or damage that looks like a mint mistake that got away. Don't give up there are some cool finds out there still but not all is what it seams to be. Here is a good shot of what looks to be doubling, if you look see the scratches or flow lines in the background they have polished the die to try to get some more use out of it but it is just a worn out die making reflections it looks like a big double deal. Edited June 4, 2021 by J P Mashoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tridmn said: Have a newer microscope otw. Light and lins go straight up and down. Along with magnification up to 1k. Will probably get that hingh, because you basically said I was no good. Great googly moogly! 1k?!?? Listen, I bought a stereo microscope with a third tube for a camera (from Amscope) and its MAXIMUM magnification is 30x. That is a numismatic scope. Edited June 4, 2021 by VKurtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, J P Mashoke said: Your Microscope is fine you just have to remember to look at the coin from different angles and learn about the die variety's that make a coin look the way it does. I am still learning every day. I roll hunt for errors and find stuff all the time but is it the real deal 99% of the time it is not. It is a worn out die or grease or damage that looks like a mint mistake that got away. Don't give up there are some cool finds out there still but not all is what it seams to be. Here is a good shot of what looks to be doubling, if you look see the scratches or flow lines in the background they have polished the die to try to get some more use out of it but it is just a worn out die making reflections it looks like a big double deal. Remember Tridm, on the die these letters are incuse, not raised. After millions of cycles of metal being jammed into these tiny crevices, what do you think will happen? They wear. And it creates “strike doubling”. Completely worthless strike doubling. Stop trying to do this “your way” and listen to advice. Edited June 4, 2021 by VKurtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridmn Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 4 hours ago, VKurtB said: Remember Tridm, on the die these letters are incuse, not raised. After millions of cycles of metal being jammed into these tiny crevices, what do you think will happen? They wear. And it creates “strike doubling”. Completely worthless strike doubling. Stop trying to do this “your way” and listen to advice. what is it that I am not listening to? U said it was lighting at odd angles. Fixing that issue. That's 1. 2 is it should give me a better picture, along with more clarity. 3. I am most certainly not doing it my way anymore. You explained and I listened. So I'm trying to improve. Is there something wrong with getting clearer and better pics.? That way I am able to look and say this coin has a very small amount of MD. Instead of posting it and then being ridiculed because of it. On 6/1/2021 at 7:38 PM, VKurtB said: No, it would not. On 6/1/2021 at 6:22 PM, Tridmn said: Have a newer microscope otw. Light and lins go straight up and down. Along with magnification up to 1k. Will probably get that hingh, because you basically said I was no good. KarenHolcomb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 The 1K magnification is a really bad idea. Think MUUUUUCH lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridmn Posted June 8, 2021 Author Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) On 6/4/2021 at 9:41 AM, VKurtB said: Great googly moogly! 1k?!?? Listen, I bought a stereo microscope with a third tube for a camera (from Amscope) and its MAXIMUM magnification is 30x. That is a numismatic scope. It goes all the way down to 0.5k if that is any better Edited June 8, 2021 by Tridmn Needed to fix my reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Tridmn said: It goes all the way down to 0.5k if that is any better Not better. You’re still talking about 500x? I spent over $500 on my scope and it’s magnification range is 3x to 30x. I haven’t gone over 15x in four years. You’re looking at coins, not blood samples. Edited June 8, 2021 by VKurtB Modwriter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JKK Posted June 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2021 4 hours ago, VKurtB said: Not better. You’re still talking about 500x? I spent over $500 on my scope and it’s magnification range is 3x to 30x. I haven’t gone over 15x in four years. You’re looking at coins, not blood samples. Wish you'd have told me that before I went out and bought my electron coin microscope. Damn! RonnieR131, Woods020, VKurtB and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 At least with his high power scope, we may get to see the structure of milk spots and flow lines. Hoghead515 and KarenHolcomb 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridmn Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 6/8/2021 at 8:39 PM, VKurtB said: At least with his high power scope, we may get to see the structure of milk spots and flow lines. If you are trying to help, you're sure doing a bang up job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridmn Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 Ah, incluse really? At least not obtuse like your mouth. So just shut it if you are able,or is it too big? JKK and Hoghead515 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Tridmn said: If you are trying to help, you're sure doing a bang up job. Seriously, there ARE things to learn about coins generally under high power, like what causes luster. Or what certain contaminants on a coin look like. There is great usefulness there. But maybe not so much after initially learning that stuff. Error or variety attribution will never be helped at high magnification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenHolcomb Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 @TridmnDude, I thought I had a bad attitude, but you whoop my spoons with yours. That said, all you need to take a great shot is whatever phone you have and a $5 clip on Macro lens. A single regular bulb 2' or so over your workspace. That's it. You could also make a picture box. If you google wikihow.com/picture box it might come right up. It might not. But They Are easily made. I have a great article on the US Mint History and How Coins are made. Only way I can share it is via email. If you want it let me know. Point is, these guys really tried to be helpful with you but you won't even let them. You are one of those Newbies that everyone dreads to deal with yet you see they still try to educate you knowing full well that you are an aspoon. You should listen. Not only hear. Let me know if you want the article. James Zyskowski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridmn Posted June 27, 2021 Author Share Posted June 27, 2021 On 6/13/2021 at 3:31 AM, KarenHolcomb said: @TridmnDude, I thought I had a bad attitude, but you whoop my spoons with yours. That said, all you need to take a great shot is whatever phone you have and a $5 clip on Macro lens. A single regular bulb 2' or so over your workspace. That's it. You could also make a picture box. If you google wikihow.com/picture box it might come right up. It might not. But They Are easily made. I have a great article on the US Mint History and How Coins are made. Only way I can share it is via email. If you want it let me know. Point is, these guys really tried to be helpful with you but you won't even let them. You are one of those Newbies that everyone dreads to deal with yet you see they still try to educate you knowing full well that you are an aspoon. You should listen. Not only hear. Let me know if you want the article. Point is, yes I understand the picture quality. However when being publicly humiliated is part of their arsenal; that's gone too far. Wouldnt you agree; even if they are so called "professionals"? Yes they may have many years on me when it comes to coins, sure. Humiliation is not the way to go. Yes, I did argue back, fact. Going to the extreme that happened isnt right. No matter how you look at it. I believed I had a great case, and then came the lighting issues and the camera issues and then to humiliation. Should a professional act in such a way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridmn Posted June 27, 2021 Author Share Posted June 27, 2021 On 6/4/2021 at 9:41 AM, VKurtB said: Great googly moogly! 1k?!?? Listen, I bought a stereo microscope with a third tube for a camera (from Amscope) and its MAXIMUM magnification is 30x. That is a numismatic scope. Then send me one. Look, I'm disabled and cant afford a lot. This new microscope wasnt what I needed or wanted. Spent what I had saved on it. So if what you have is that great, and u dont want me showing pics on what looks like doubling on my scope, then send me one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 9 hours ago, Tridmn said: Then send me one. Look, I'm disabled and cant afford a lot. This new microscope wasnt what I needed or wanted. Spent what I had saved on it. So if what you have is that great, and u dont want me showing pics on what looks like doubling on my scope, then send me one. Until you develop the skill of being able to LISTEN, I’m done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridmn Posted June 28, 2021 Author Share Posted June 28, 2021 7 hours ago, VKurtB said: Until you develop the skill of being able to LISTEN, I’m done. YEAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Zyskowski Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) Howdy to my classmate slick glad to see you in class. Now to topic. Welcome tridmn.. As a newbie I’ve been practicing with my iPhone 7 and natural light and overhead incandescent. I sit in my office chair and practice holding with one hand and snapping with the other. Gunna build a stand (coat hanger tape pop cycle stick pipe cleaners I’ll find something). Maybe you can return the scope for something else closer to what you need. Free newbie advice talking back to teachers never helped me. There is a wonderful group of people here (some a little grumpier) but have you checked out the cost of one unit of college. I believe we are saving money every time we learn something. Common courtesy and a degree of patience will serve us all well We all go through a break in period still in mine. Again welcome Here’s one of mine I don’t need a scope to see🤓 Planchette with dime struck in about 10percent of the edge Edited June 28, 2021 by James Zyskowski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenHolcomb Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I should come more often. Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 On 8/6/2021 at 2:47 PM, KarenHolcomb said: I should come more often. Yep! Every day is a holiday here at Sleepy Hollow. KarenHolcomb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenHolcomb Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 On 6/8/2021 at 9:39 PM, VKurtB said: At least with his high power scope, we may get to see the structure of milk spots and flow lines. Shame on you. Lmfbo Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 On 9/2/2021 at 2:29 PM, KarenHolcomb said: Shame on you. Lmfbo Karen, I know you like high mag examination as well as anybody does. We both know I find it irrational and pointless. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenHolcomb Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 On 9/2/2021 at 3:52 PM, VKurtB said: Karen, I know you like high mag examination as well as anybody does. We both know I find it irrational and pointless. Sorry. Pfft! Err! I used a scope for all of 5 minutes before I gave it away. I prefer my 10x Macro lens clipped to my pixel 3a that mags up to 7x and once I pick my best shot taken I can crop the photo up to 4x more in Edits. I think a lot of the problem people have taking nice close and CLEAR photos is that they think they have to TAKE the perfect picture. That's not so. You have to take a butt load of Shots to get the perfect SHOT to be your photo. You pick your best shot and make it a great photo via edits. Do you get what I'm trying to put across? Imo a scope doesn't take shots that we make into photos. They take photos without there ever being a Shot. (Make sense?) And the photos are SO close up that you can't tell if you're seeing an ear or a fold or even of which side of the Coin you are seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...