Fabrosee Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Hello, This 1930 capped bust half dollar has stars that have an outstretched "arm" all around the obverse of the coin. Is this a recognized variant or is it just a normal error that is ignored? I say ignored because I have seen it a couple of times and on one of them, it was in a PGCS holder with no mention of this aspect of the coin...just the size of the 0. Thank you ahead of time for the insights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKK Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 I would very much like to hear the answers here because this sort of rim device elongation out from the center is a definite marker in ancient Roman silver, but I've never learned exactly what caused it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Its fairly common in this series, as I recall it had something to do with the materials and machinery of the time. Its was a long time ago that I read about this and I just don't recall what I read then fully, hopefully someone else that is more versed in the series can give a more detailed explanation. I believe that the bust half collectors that collect by die marriage use the shape of some of those stars, and how elongated they are, to help id the die marriages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Literally shooting stars. First time I've ever heard of, or seen, one. Interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 not especially rare, it is a documented variety in the bust halves (O-105?).....others similar dated 1808,10,12 to lesser degrees ......some early coppers have same effects...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RWB Posted March 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2021 Common in bust-design halves. They were often crowded together in small barrels and bags, and -- well -- some of the Miss Liberties got pregnant. The stretch marks are what happens not too long before the halves give birth to half-dimes. Eventually, half-dimes grow up to be quarters and sometimes halves - but rarely dollars. Hoghead515, JT2 and Henri Charriere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Fabrosee said: This 1930 capped bust half dollar has stars that have an outstretched "arm" all around the obverse of the coin. [To the OP: Why the fixation on 1930, twice cited by you (in the title of this post and again in this column)? The numerals on your coin are beyond extraordinary: an authentic 1, an 8 with a stylistic flourish, a 3 with rounded ends, and best of all, the over-sized 0 -- all raised, all with beveled edges! Aside from the "cigarette burn" i/f/o the bust, is it safe to assume this coin cannot be graded? How does the reverse look? This coin really has a lot going for it. I like it. I take it you were taken by its various strong attributes too.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Conder101 Posted March 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2021 Later die state. As the metal of the planchets expand outward during striking it wears the die more around the periphery which causes the star point to be drawn out to the rim. This feature can also be seen sometimes on other series of coins. It is more prevalent on the capped bust halves because on those the stars actually point toward the rim and the wear is concentrated in those outer points. (On other capped bust coins the stars do not point at the rim.) Just Bob, Sharann and Oldhoopster 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Now for the question Rick of Pawn Stars asks after David Vagi, the Director of Ancients at NGC, examines a prospective customer's coin with a loupe, and states his expert, professional opinion: "How much is it worth?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I can't believe it took seven responses before the OP got a serious, detailed answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Just Bob said: I can't believe it took seven responses before the OP got a serious, detailed answer. [Quite frankly, our Alex of PA. could have answered the OP's question: Is this a recognized variant or is it just a normal error that is ignored? with just that emoji slapping his forehead.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 18 hours ago, Conder101 said: Later die state. On a Fictitious Note: A "later die state" is one West of the Mississippi River; these are California and Nevada, and almost Oregon. "Early die states" are East of the Mississippi; these are Pennsylvania, Louisiana, North Carolina and Georgia, and almost New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, RWB said: On a Fictitious Note: A "later die state" is one West of the Mississippi River; these are California and Nevada, and almost Oregon. "Early die states" are East of the Mississippi; these are Pennsylvania, Louisiana, North Carolina and Georgia, and almost New York. [In the humor department, dry or otherwise, you are unquestionably without peer.]😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member: Seasoned Veteran DWLange Posted March 12, 2021 Member: Seasoned Veteran Share Posted March 12, 2021 That's very common on early USA coins as the dies wore. Here's an example: https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/half-dollars/capped-bust-lettered-edge-half-dollars-1807-1836/817967/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 [One take-away from this "example"-- some SIX PAGES long (with God knows how many attributions, with sub-sections, yet!) -- is rank amateurs like me, with no real knowledge of the specific subject matter under discussion, ought to refrain from commenting, i.e., keep our big mouths shut before we make a laughing-stock of ourselves, if we haven't done so already. A most self-illuminating reference if ever there was one.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 that boat has long since sailed....... Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldhoopster Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 22 hours ago, RWB said: On a Fictitious Note: A "later die state" is one West of the Mississippi River; these are California and Nevada, and almost Oregon. "Early die states" are East of the Mississippi; these are Pennsylvania, Louisiana, North Carolina and Georgia, and almost New York. Are you trying to get the entertainment gig at the ANA convention dinner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/11/2021 at 9:04 PM, Just Bob said: I can't believe it took seven responses before the OP got a serious, detailed answer. Well I don't get here every day. Sharann 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Conder101 said: Well I don't get here every day. [Stick to the east side. The 4, 5 and 6 are more reliable.] 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Just for the record: Louisiana is almost completely on the west side of the Mississippi River. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/13/2021 at 9:34 AM, Oldhoopster said: Are you trying to get the entertainment gig at the ANA convention dinner? Naw....I checked the pay scale. Not even I work for that little..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Just Bob said: Just for the record: Louisiana is almost completely on the west side of the Mississippi River. Yes, it seems like the Louisiana State Pen at Angola lies East of the River and its northern most boundary is Mississippi's southwestern most border. The NYC subway's east and westside lines do not go down that far. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I do need to make a correction to my first comment. I said the other denominations don't have the star pointing at the rim. This is true of the Seated Liberty coins but incorrect for the capped bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 liberty seated twenty cent, half dollars n dollars have stars pointed to the rim...half dimes, dimes n quarters do not..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On 3/13/2021 at 8:34 AM, Oldhoopster said: Are you trying to get the entertainment gig at the ANA convention dinner? Entertainment is strictly forbidden at ANA dinners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member: Seasoned Veteran DWLange Posted March 17, 2021 Member: Seasoned Veteran Share Posted March 17, 2021 Entertainment is strictly forbidden at ANA dinners. I recall ANA President Grover Criswell put on something of a show at the 1977 convention banquet. The ANA's board subsequently drafted a formal apology as one of 20 resolutions it was to vote on, but the resolutions as a whole failed to pass a later vote of the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 hours ago, VKurtB said: Entertainment is strictly forbidden at ANA dinners. [I am still trying to picture you running around with your 4 x 5 speed graphic at coin shows.] 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said: [I am still trying to picture you running around with your 4 x 5 speed graphic at coin shows.] 😉 Not a Speed Graphic. A Linhof view camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 On 3/17/2021 at 9:50 PM, VKurtB said: Not a Speed Graphic. A Linhof view camera. [Thought I'd bait you with something Weegee used whose name, understandably, would be unfamiliar to new and younger coin collectors. 😉 My childhood friend had a nice Leica. With the advent of cell phones, they had a good laugh about seven years ago when I walked into a CVS and asked what happened to all the disposable one-use portable pocket cameras. I believe Willoughy and Peerless are the only survivors of Photography Row In the Penn Station area.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said: [Thought I'd bait you with something Weegee used whose name, understandably, would be unfamiliar to new and younger coin collectors. 😉 My childhood friend had a nice Leica. With the advent of cell phones, they had a good laugh about seven years ago when I walked into a CVS and asked what happened to all the disposable one-use portable pocket cameras. I believe Willoughy and Peerless are the only survivors of Photography Row In the Penn Station area.] B&H Photo is the king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
