I need some opinions on this interesting coin! 0

[Thenewbieaaron]

So I have had this 2006 North Dakota state quarter for quite some time now and it is smaller and thicker than the normal quarter. I’ve always thought it had too be an error and the quarter was on a nickel planchet but if I’m being honest with myself I have no idea. So I thought I’d ask the professionals! What do you think the error in this coin, and is it worth money?

[JKK]

Odd. While it appears to be in a bail (very deep strikes can look that way), you could tell from the edge if that were the case. Plus, a bail would add diameter, not subtract it.

[Conder101]

This is what is called a Dryer Coin (Sometimes also called a spooned coin)  it has been caught in a commercial dryer or other machine where it has rolled around why pressure or light impacts have occurred to the edge of the coin.  It causes the edge to broaden while it reduces the diameter of the coin.  The term spooned coins coms from the fact that years ago people used to use a table spoon to lightly and continuously tap on the edge of a quarter or half dollar preading the edge and reducing the diameter to the proper size, then drilling out the center making a silver ring out of them.  The table spoon was heavy enough to eventually cause the spreading but light enough to reduce the possibility of badly denting the edge of the ring/coin.

[Just Bob]

Welcome to The Forum. Conder101 nailed it.

[Numismatic, A.A.S.]

On 4/4/2019 at 6:35 PM, Just Bob said:

Welcome to The Forum. Conder101 nailed it.

Yes he did...

[T-N-T Tom n Terri]

I'm afraid none of you nailed it you should first waigh the coin .If it says 5.7 then it is pretty close.If it waighs 5.1 it's a 5c planchet if the edge is reeded and it waighs 6.8 it's silver .I have the same coin on a planchet that is thin and waighs 5.1 with the obverse and reverse in tackt and reeded edge however cud layer sticks out little further then reeds.

[l.cutler]

3 minutes ago, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

I'm afraid none of you nailed it you should first waigh the coin .If it says 5.7 then it is pretty close.If it waighs 5.1 it's a 5c planchet if the edge is reeded and it waighs 6.8 it's silver .I have the same coin on a planchet that is thin and waighs 5.1 with the obverse and reverse in tackt and reeded edge however cud layer sticks out little further then reeds.

This coin has been in an acidic environment.  The copper core reacts more to the acid than the copper nickel alloy outer layers.

[T-N-T Tom n Terri]

2 minutes ago, l.cutler said:

This coin has been in an acidic environment.  The copper core reacts more to the acid than the copper nickel alloy outer layers.

3 minutes ago, l.cutler said:

This coin has been in an acidic environment.  The copper core reacts more to the acid than the copper nickel alloy outer layers.

This coin has never been in acid obverse and reverse are intact I'm thinking the only thing on acid ground here is you

 

[l.cutler]

So Einstein, you have had this coin in your possession since it was new and know exactly where it has been all that time?  It has been altered by acid whether you want to believe it or not.  I am done.

[T-N-T Tom n Terri]

Well I tell you what fountain of knowledge scence you have never seen the coin would be safe to say you talking out the side of you neck . You know what they say about opinions 

[T-N-T Tom n Terri]

 Apparently you know nothing about planchet errors and the waight of coins or you just saying what ever blows you skirt up 

[Kirt]

While you don't seem to want to hear it, it is PMD. There is environmental damage to the coin, which is evident from the toning and the selective removal of the copper layer as well as the significant loss of detail to the faces of the coin. Physical damage around the edge has created a deep rim and reduced the diameter.

In terms of different planchet, that's easy to eliminate: if it were a nickel planchet it would not be showing any clad layer whatsoever.

[T-N-T Tom n Terri]

12 hours ago, l.cutler said:

This coin has been in an acidic environment.  The copper core reacts more to the acid than the copper nickel alloy outer layers.

Hay Cutler you should keep your 2 cents out of my buisness you no nothing about this coin so keep your uneducated opinion to your self

[T-N-T Tom n Terri]

4 hours ago, Kirt said:

While you don't seem to want to hear it, it is PMD. There is environmental damage to the coin, which is evident from the toning and the selective removal of the copper layer as well as the significant loss of detail to the faces of the coin. Physical damage around the edge has created a deep rim and reduced the diameter.

In terms of different planchet, that's easy to eliminate: if it were a nickel planchet it would not be showing any clad layer whatsoever.

If that is the case why are the edge reeds in fact and there is not significant damage to the face other then the ejection Mark's what makes you think the layer is clad ?

[T-N-T Tom n Terri]

4 hours ago, Kirt said:

While you don't seem to want to hear it, it is PMD. There is environmental damage to the coin, which is evident from the toning and the selective removal of the copper layer as well as the significant loss of detail to the faces of the coin. Physical damage around the edge has created a deep rim and reduced the diameter.

In terms of different planchet, that's easy to eliminate: if it were a nickel planchet it would not be showing any clad layer whatsoever.

Let's me put it to you in layman's terms if both clad layers as you put it were entirely absent from obverse and reverse. It would still way in at 5.3.009 the coin waighs 5.1.I been a member of ngc and A platinum member for that matter I'm the owner of T- N - T coins .I realy do not do this forum thing very well cuz obviously there is alot of nonsense  among rookies .The coin was checked today and neither one of you are close .At least it gives you something to talk about 

[T-N-T Tom n Terri]

12 minutes ago, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

Hay Cutler you should keep your 2 cents out of my buisness you no nothing about this coin so keep your uneducated opinion to your self

 

13 hours ago, l.cutler said:

This coin has been in an acidic environment.  The copper core reacts more to the acid than the copper nickel alloy outer layers.

An opinion from a insufficiently_thoughtful_person !!!

[Funlearning]

8 minutes ago, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

Let's me put it to you in layman's terms if both clad layers as you put it were entirely absent from obverse and reverse. It would still way in at 5.3.009 the coin waighs 5.1.I been a member of ngc and A platinum member for that matter I'm the owner of T- N - T coins .I realy do not do this forum thing very well cuz obviously there is alot of nonsense  among rookies .The coin was checked today and neither one of you are close .At least it gives you something to talk about 

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[T-N-T Tom n Terri]

The coin does not need an opinion has already Been verified as metal content was just sharing some info with the guy who has a similar coin not for the retards Cutler and mr negative take the coin have it tested for metal content as I did if it waighs 5.1 it's a nickle planchet even if the coin was missing both layers would still waigh 5.3 that's the facts Cutler is a drama queen that must not have anything going on so he try's to stir mess up .Cutler I'm just wondering do you have brain damage

On 4/4/2019 at 2:00 PM, Conder101 said:

This is what is called a Dryer Coin (Sometimes also called a spooned coin)  it has been caught in a commercial dryer or other machine where it has rolled around why pressure or light impacts have occurred to the edge of the coin.  It causes the edge to broaden while it reduces the diameter of the coin.  The term spooned coins coms from the fact that years ago people used to use a table spoon to lightly and continuously tap on the edge of a quarter or half dollar preading the edge and reducing the diameter to the proper size, then drilling out the center making a silver ring out of them.  The table spoon was heavy enough to eventually cause the spreading but light enough to reduce the possibility of badly denting the edge of the ring/coin.

Sounds like awful lot of work to put into a coin that has been soaking in acid for what reason?Wow you guys are smoking some good mess

[Conder101]

On 6/7/2020 at 12:20 AM, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

If that is the case why are the edge reeds in fact and there is not significant damage to the face other then the ejection Mark's

The copper nickel alloy is more resistant to the action of the acid than the pure copper core.  That is why the core is eaten away faster than the outer layers resulting in the "sandwich cookie" appearance.  As to why the reeding is still visible, that is because the acid attacks the surface of the copper evenly.  It attacks the valleys of the reeds at the same rate as the tops of the reeds.  So as the diameter is reduced the reeding remains intact.  The very fact that the reeding is there tells you that it must be the result of an attack by corrosives.  Since the reeds are imparted to the edge of the coin by the collar the  copper core HAD to be at the same diameter as the clad layers at the time of striking and something has now reduced that diameter without  wiping out the reeding.  A corrosive environment is the obvious solution.

 

On 6/7/2020 at 12:29 AM, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

Let's me put it to you in layman's terms if both clad layers as you put it were entirely absent from obverse and reverse. It would still way in at 5.3.009

Lets put it in correct terms.  If it was a quarter planchet and both clad layers were missing (which they obviously aren't because you can still see all three of them) it would weigh 3.85 grams

 

On 6/7/2020 at 12:29 AM, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

I'm the owner of T- N - T coins

I pity your customers.

 

On 6/7/2020 at 12:29 AM, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

.I realy do not do this forum thing very well cuz obviously there is alot of nonsense  among rookies

Says the man with 14 posts.  Yes, I know that's a cheap shot because the number of posts doesn't really relate to actual experience.  So how much experience do you have?  I have 54 years.

 

On 6/7/2020 at 12:29 AM, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

The coin was checked today and neither one of you are close

Checked by who?  What are their credentials?

 

On 6/7/2020 at 12:42 AM, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

take the coin have it tested for metal content as I did

Metal content of the clad layers is the same as the metal content of a nickel.

 

On 6/7/2020 at 12:42 AM, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

Sounds like awful lot of work to put into a coin that has been soaking in acid for what reason?

The coin you posted is NOT the same coin as in the coin in the OP.  Different coins, different forms of damage.

[Kirt]

On 6/7/2020 at 12:29 AM, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

Let's me put it to you in layman's terms if both clad layers as you put it were entirely absent from obverse and reverse. It would still way in at 5.3.009 the coin waighs 5.1.I been a member of ngc and A platinum member for that matter I'm the owner of T- N - T coins .I realy do not do this forum thing very well cuz obviously there is alot of nonsense  among rookies .The coin was checked today and neither one of you are close .At least it gives you something to talk about 

Ok, one at a time:

I didn't state that both clad layers were missing; they're clearly present and environmentally damaged. That blackish toning is something that shows up on state quarters much more commonly than prior clad quarters; I have been extremely interested in figuring out why because there should be no difference; I'm also sure others are sick of me bringing it up so done with that.

Membership level doesn't mean anything except how much money you're willing to fork over to NGC.

Calling me rookie is accurate. I've only been collecting for 34 years or so. I have a ton to learn.

Checked by whom? There are tons of people with opinions about coins (including our hosts) and only some of them are worthwhile. You know what they say about opinions.

I'm sorry that you're either upset or unwilling to listen to what people are telling you; best wishes going forward with your coin.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Kirt

[l.cutler]

Thank you Conder101 and Kirt for the intelligent rational posts.  I have started to reply several times, bit my tongue, calmed down and deleted before posting.  It is posters like you and several others who keep this place going despite the "distractions".  I've been collecting for over 50 years now, and it never ceases to amaze me how much there is to still learn, yet some watch a couple of youtube videos and become instant experts!

Edited June 9, 2020 by l.cutler

[VKurtB]

Only 54 years, @Conder101? I never had you tabbed as that much of a newb.  I’m “Class of ‘63”, just like former NN editor David Harper is.

Edited June 9, 2020 by VKurtB