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Wait, what bank cause I have to check that out. I guess they were on the way back to the mint with the various dates. But don't they all get returned with coin roll boxes or pallets?

I have enough trouble differentiating between an AU-55 and an AU-58, let alone what the difference would be between an AU-58 and AU-59.

That's not surprising as those 5k bags of cents you can buy for around $150 to $200 have undoubtedly already been cherry picked, and there are really just leftovers remaining that are then sold off.

Healthy disagreement and debate is a key part of any science, including numismatics. So far nobody has replied ala SNL with "Jane, you ignorant slut".

I like Trade Dollars with chop marks if not overdone. I think it gives them a little character and history. Attached is one of my favorites.

I know the mini coins are just junk, but still interesting.

@RickG296If you didn't notice those better pics of your slabbed coin were from the NGC certification check site linked above. 😉

From sold auctions. 2003 ASE MS70 in NGC slab topped out around $180 per Hog in 2020, and has recently been going for in the $150 to $160 range (orhers like ICG for less). Attached is the latest one I found. May be less demand for the MS70 with the associated premium for that, combined with the general downturn in prices.

Prices are actually down from around the the $170's to $180's for a perfect MS-70 about 1-2 yrs ago to the $150's to $160's for that more recently from sold auctions.

Prices have been down recently, so that seems consistent with how things have been going with coin prices in general lately.

abracadabra ... https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4950989-007/70/

The pics are not that great, so maybe check out the attached pic for that coin (abracadabra). It's a 2003 $1 American Silver Eagle (ASE) bullion coin, with a nice grade of a perfect MS-70. Bullion coins are generally not worth grading except ones that are a 70, and even then it's close to break even. The NGC price guide value for that coin is $165 (linked below), which seem consistent, although maybe a touch high, compared to a few recent sold listings for an NGC slabbed coin like that. https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/united-states/american-eagles-and-bullion-coins/silver-eagles-1986-date/710038/2003-eagle-s1-ms/?des=ms You also have multiple topics with the same thing, so maybe delete the others.

The appearance is probably what is called re-toning, which is color changes that occur after a coin is cleaned or polished. If the coin was not cleaned it would just be called toning.

I don't think anyone was suggesting that you cleaned or polished the coin, and were just pointing out that it looked cleaned/polished. Although it may have been done recently, it's more likely that was done a long time ago (along with many other silver coins) back when collectors wanted bright silver coins with no tarnish/toning, and that would knock down the value if present. Fast forward to more recent times, and toning has become widely popular, sometimes with huge premiums for toned coins. Go figure.

It's recommended that you start a new thread for each coin anyway, when you do figure it out. That way comments are clear as to which coin they apply to. It's also recommended that you include at least the general type of coin that new thread applies to in the topic title, maybe with a date also if you have multiples of the same type you are inquiring about. And since you are a newer collector I would recommend checking out this thread ... Resources for New Collectors

I agree there were issues with the Guth grading scale which is probably why it never stuck, including not having a simple 10 point spread for mint state and allowances for existing grades so there is a simple crossover. It looks like NGC considered/addressed most of the issues in developing the NGCX 10-point grading scale. I still need to dig a little deeper to see how the old grades match up, but it looks like one negative may be starting at 1.0 for Poor, instead of 0.0 for Poor/Unidentifiable (maybe 0.25.as PR barely identifiable) up to 1.0 for Fair so there would be a direct one-to-one corresponding grade between whole numbers and the matching adjectival grades). Like PR 0.25, FR 1.0, AG 2.0, G 3.0, VG 4.0, F 5.0, VF 6.0, XF 7.0m AU 8.0 and then 9-10 for MS 60-70. Then that AU-58 would simply be an 8.8, and you could even add that AU-59 at 8.9 if you really wanted to add that, although I don't see the need and think there are enough grades as is.

Attached is a similar one. I'm from NY so it's kind of fitting to have one. I think the prohibition token may have been made with a hole for a keychain, and maybe given out as promotional items by liquor companies. I also saw another similar one on the HA site with the following description: 1855 New York Prohibition, brass, 28mm, obverse features inverted drinking glass with legends STATE OF NEW YORK/NO REPEAL/JULY 4, 1855, reverse has wreath border and legends TO/COMMEMORATE/THE PASSAGE/OF THE/PROHIBITORY/LIQUOR/LAW, holed as issued, brown and greenish verdigris; and an 1855 New York Prohibition AU50, brass, 28mm, types as previous, much original color. It indicated "holed as issued" in the HA listing, and they appear to be similarly holed.

I don't agree. There has been discussions related to switching to a 100 point coin grading system (e.g. Guth 100 Point system attached) among well known and established numismatic experts for quite a while due to how the current grading system is so clunky and arbitrary. Just a small sample of articles discussing that change going back to at least 2018 follows ... https://coinweek.com/coinweek-podcast/ron-guth-proposes-100-point-coin-grading-scale/ https://www.numismaticnews.net/archive/new-100-point-coin-grading-scale-proposed https://www.coinnews.net/2018/09/17/100-point-coin-grading-scale-created-by-ron-guth/ https://www.money.org/collector/user_56466/blog/the-british-coin-grading-system-its-like-they-have-a-different-numeric-score-for-every-grade- One could probably find another 20 or so more articles with discussions of that with top industry numismatic experts if desired. A 10 point system would essentially be equivalent to a 100 point system previously considered, which would actually have a better and very simple one-to-one match for the current mint state grades of 9.0 to 10 vs 60 to 70 (e.g. 9.50 vs MS-65 as well as 9.75 or 9.7+ vs MS-67+). Personally I would have preferred to just see a 100 point system (e.g. 90 to 100 vs 60 to 70 for mint state) with the "+" designations and no decimals, even though I am comfortable with decimals dealing with scientific stuff forever, as I think it would be easier for the average collector to deal with. However, I understand the push by NGC to use a 10 point grading system (Bo Derek analogy aside ), as that is the condition grading basis for virtually every other hobby in the world. I really don't get the visceral objections by some to a 10/100 basis system which would essentially be a one-to-one very simple match for mint state coins and a more logical progression for circulated grade designations. Maybe is just my background dealing with more cutting edge scientific changes, and not having really used the current 70 point system forever, resulting in me being more open to that change.

Idk ... maybe in a change jar as WC mentioned after you check for the unicorn small date copper . But there was a Coin Week article discussing that 1982 was a "landmark year" for the Lincoln Head cent ... https://coinweek.com/coins/coin-profiles/us-coins-coin-profiles/united-states-1982-lincoln-cent/

Thanks Sandon. I am aware that there are a number of very deceptive counterfeits for gold coins like the half eagles, which is in the top 20 of NGC's list of counterfeit coins (https://www.ngccoin.com/resources/counterfeit-detection/top/united-states/). For those and similar raw coin purchases I only really work with one larger dealer I have mentioned previously with credentialed graders and an intake process similar to the PCG$ grading process to weed out those type of things. The final check is done by someone who actually works with ANA on grading and counterfeit detection, as well as ANA eLearning materials and videos on those topics. So I am pretty comfortable with that one dealer I am already familiar with, and avoid other dealers, eBay, etc. like the plague for those coins. And of course I still spend a good amount of time checking any raw coins myself when I get it in-hand. But I realize I am not an expert with those coins, so there is still more risk verses getting a certified one. But that increased risk is something I am willing to accept given my hands-down preference for raw coins in general.

I was hoping someone would post a topic about "The case for $1,600 Gold". But it may have already hit a low pivot point at around $1,630 earlier this month when I bought a little more bullion, and now may be on a rebound again. Spot at $1,600 was the actual target low pivot point I was looking for to get another larger chunk of additional gold bullion bars and coins, and was holding out for that possibility. Now it's starting to look like that may not happen. But I have the smaller chunk from earlier this month, as well as a bunch bought in the past at relative lows anyway, so if it does start rebounding I'm okay with that too. Gives me a little more for the coin slush fund anyway. Idk about $3,000 anytime soon, but I could go with around $2,300 to $2,500 earlier next year if the stock market starts to tank again as expected and inflation continues to be a cash-in-hand, savings account, and treasury market significant short term loss. Except for the capped I-Series bonds at around 10% now. I wish they would increase the I-Series $15k cap given government policies continue to be a significant factor in inflation rising, and would give people a better short term option. I was surprised a little that gold didn't continue to rise past the $2,050 recent high point earlier this year in March given those conditions looked like they were going to continue and make gold bullion an attractive alternative. Now I think it's like throwing darts at a bullion spot board with no bullseye for the short term.

Might be right. But I read a PCG$ article about "what is considered a modern coin" which doesn't even mention 1982 ... https://www.pcgs.com/news/what-is-considered-a-modern-coin

Actually you have to be careful when handling a raw coin not to talk to others while holding it in your hand, as you would get droplets of saliva on the coin that can impair it over time.

Looks like the sticky topic is good to go, so the next thing is to request that from an Admim and then post the topic. I posted this question in the "Ask NGC/NCS" sub-forum and I'm just waiting for a response from an Admin to proceed.

Do you mean something like the attached 1964 Lincoln miniature penny/token. It's really just a novelty item worth about 1C you can find overpriced on sites like eBay an Etsy. Buy 1964 Miniature Lincoln Penny Token at Etsy I have also seen entire sets of miniature US coins like the attached that I think are interesting, but again way overpriced.