EagleRJO

Looks more like an off-metal alloy, and I seriously doubt silver would be used for such a crude fake where they couldn't even match the sides.

I don't see a seam. And I think you meant to go the other way timeline wise as it looks similar to a mid-1800's Seated Liberty dollar reverse, not a Morgan.

The following site is the best I have found for identifying or researching trade tokens ... http://tokencatalog.com/index.php

That should be enough that it has the incorrect initials right off the bat, and no purity testing is needed. 8 Reales are one of the most counterfeited coins and you should proceed accordingly being very careful with raw coins.

Why would you think this is an error coin and not just wear or damage (perhaps from a YT vid)? I am genuinely curious as we get a lot of coins posted with just wear or damage that people think are errors. And if you are unsure what actually is an "error" or variety see the post by Sandon and the following topic ... https://boards.ngccoin.com/topic/430263-basic-resources-glossary-for-those-posting-questions/

It's a counterfeit. In 1877 it would be a Trade Dollar with that noted on the reverse (see attached). The reverse on the op's "coin" completely wrong

Consider it $80 tuition paid when it comes back as just a normal circulated 1961-D Cent without any variety noted on the label.

I also don't see any appreciable differences in the sizes of the elements you identified, just differences in the amount of wear on the coins. If you look up the coins in CoinFacts you will be able to see how the coins look in a mint state, and then with varying degrees of wear that approach the circulated condition of the coins posted.

If that is an app and/or scope you are using to find the errors/varieties you have been posting in multiple topics you may want to moth-ball them and start over again, beginning with some basic books and resources on coins, errors & varieties (see some of your first topics on the board) as well as a 5x to 10x magnifying glass. But keep in mind even the mag glass needs to be in focus.

It doesn't match either a 1950-S/D 25C (above) or the 1950-D/S 25C (attached). The upper loop of the "S" mint mark is normally almost completely closed for that year which may have been throwing you off.

"I LIKE TO SEE ANYONE TEL ME I AM WRING [WRONG]" Okay, I will pile on ... you are wrong! It's not a DDO.

Looks like a home brewed hack job

Seem like typical conditions to protect the seller so someone doesn't buy a coin and try to return a swapped non-gold knock off for a refund. And it seems like you have documented it's the same as the listed coin. What's the concern?

Only $4,700, that's a bargain!. This 1966 5C MS66 MAC-4FS is going for $7,995 obo. But then again it does have three MAC stickers.

If you don't have one I would recommend getting a recent edition of the Red Book and read about the various coins. It has a lot of good information about coins with rough pricing, including the two coins you mentioned, and Sandon provided some good advice about what to look for with older coins.

What were the "demanding" conditions, and why not just do that if it would at least get you a refund of your original purchase price. I think trying to get back more than that, or trying to get a refund without shipping the coin back to the seller, is a lost cause.

I'm not sure what I am going to do at this point, other than cancel my mint subscription, which I did after having that for quite some time. I emailed the mint, and will see what they say, but I am not holding my breath. I have a feeling that is the last Proof ASE for me, even though I have them going back to 1986. At least until the mint cleans up their act, and also finds a solution to this problem. For me the end started in 2021 with the poorer quality of the coins and capsules, as well as the cheap dollar store like box they switched to. Seems like the mint is now more concerned with DEI after going woke around 2021, than the quality of products. It's a shame because I really liked these coins.

I assume you are referring to powermad's coin as the one on mine appears to be a classic milk spot.

It wasn't previously out of the holder.

Well it happened to me. I was checking out my 2023-W Proof ASE to figure out a rough grade to put in my log, and yikes there was what I am sure is a milk spot on the obverse jumping right out at me. Really ruins the look of the coin. Nothing YET on my 2021 or 2022 Proof ASEs. I just had to wait until next year to cancel my mint subscription since the mint went woke and seemed more concerned with DEI than quality control.

It doesn't match the only known 1965 25C DDO to have doubling of all the lettering, which is a DDO FS-101 variety from the link Sandon posted. See the attached diagnostics image for that. It doesn't seem to be hub doubling, but I may see some corner notching so you might want to look closely at the coin in-hand using the attached infographic on doubled dies and the following webpage with examples of corner notching for the 1965 25C ... http://varietyvista.com/09b WQ Vol 2/DDO Detail Pages/1965PDDO001.htm

Interesting that you put Dan's phantasy coins second. I think the quality of his strikes are better than many, except perhaps some of the earlier years and some of the ones struck at the San Fran mint. And as a result of our posts RWB is going to start convulsing any minute now.

When did you say any of that with your above clown claim [Maybe you meant mint issue in OGP or TPG slab, and those are sold listings so why capitalize out of stock or returns ... smh]

They ALL look like counterfeits

Hmmm, you mean like the attached from eBay sold listings, or the 4 others from this seller.