RichieRich2020

4 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

There is a dynamic at play here only a psycholinguist could fully appreciate. And precious little of it, akin to virtual bullying, is fair to RichieRich2020. And I think I will leave it at that. The guilty ones know exactly what I am talking about.

Well i've always and will always respect the maturity level of grown men who can actually appreciate facts whether they're right or wrong ... because from the very outset of my post I didn't really expect anything different without actually testing the coin so its totally understandable . Infact I'm currently looking for a coin group as we speak where most if not all the people who post their coins give 100% of their opinions based SOLELY on things such as testing as opposed to 95% of COLLECTORS who think themselves .... ive been an expert for over 800 years and so IM NEVER WRONG because that would be very cool and very interesting . 😉 

So baically after reading all these interesting replys on the topic and mysteriously being unable to log back into my account by someone . I couldn't help but begin to wonder if ALL these comments are really related to the TOPIC in question : i.e ; COULD THIS BE A NEW DISCOVERY OF A ROOSEVELT DIME WITH A MATTE FINISH ... 

 Because you see . So far I've heard a lot of CREATIVE AND UNSUPPORTED SUGGESTIONS about how the coin could be sandblasted and how A NEW FORM OF MAGICAL ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE exists that could somehow leave a clad coin with a EVEN matte finish and untouched edges . But NOT ONCE HAVE I ACTUALLY SEEN ABSOLUTELY ANYONE demonstrate these THEORIES nor share single a coin to actually prove to everyone that the OP is wrong .  Because that my friends would CLEARLY be totally interesting and totally welcomed . Although something deep down inside of me is already telling me that would probably NEVER HAPPEN ... Because THE FACT IS . None of these THEORIES pertains to the actual finish on the coin since that is what the topic was originally all about until all these EGOS came into the picture .

Infact . In closing . I would just like to say . Thank you for all these VERY INTERESTING THEORIES that some of you guys have managed come up with . Because I really do appreciate it.  And i do expect to see alot more of this in the future because something is telling me that this is NORMALLY how FACTS are usually reached on NEWLY DISCOVERED COIN FINISHES WITHOUT TESTING ... and please do not take any offense to my FACT CHECKING because they are not personal at all and unlike alot of collectors and coin experts in this post ... I DO NOT EVER MIND being proven wrong .  😆 🤣 

44 minutes ago, Big Nub numismatics said:

We will remember this thread for a very long time lol.

And so will I ... 😂

You know what ... I really feel a little embarrassed and ashamed if it ended up turning out that I was wrong this entire time . Especially since I know that alot of people on here probably secretly hope that Im wrong... But then again I'm not really to worried about it since I feel like the blind is leading the blind and because I know for a fact that theres alot of people on here who care more about Recognition then they do about FACTS AND IMPORTANT DETAILS  ... 👨🏻‍🦯👩🏼‍🦯👨🏻‍🦯

7 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

This is one thread I hope is never shut down. Unravel? Maybe. Shut down? I hope not. Where anyone else -- including myself, would have long given up the ghost, RR2020's irrepressible style, irreproachable virtue and enduring stamina comes shining through.  Bravo!

Well thank you my young lad ... Because even though I really hate to admit it i think the wisdom thing is finally kicking in due to old age .... because I just turned 40 july 14th .... 👴🏽  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 

1 hour ago, bsshog40 said:

Hopefully NGC will shut this Thread and Troll down!!!

No hows about you troll yourself right off my post weirdo . Because no one came stalking your post and hoping they shut your thread down simply because I refuse to accept your opinion . And not to mention some of us are actually trying to have A GROWN MAN DISCUSSION ... So please get lost and kick rocks with your NEGATIVITE ENERGY so I dont have to find out how to block you ...

4 minutes ago, Big Nub numismatics said:

Let us know how it goes, or wait another few years to ask some other forums sight until they agree with you.

No thank you because LISTENING to all those experts back then is what had me to put the coin back in my collection and forget about it ... but this time I wont be so easy to dismiss my common sense that is telling me that something just dont add up with this NEW EVIORMENTAL DAMAGE THEORY CREATING MATTE FINISHES ON CLAD DIMES . But hey if that's what you want to believe yourself then by all meand please do so . And by the way the word SITE is actually spelled S.I.T.E NOT S.I.G.H.T just for educational purposes ... 😂😂😂

2 minutes ago, kbbpll said:

 

Well thanks for lifting my spirit .... But I cant quite call it my precious just yet not when I got so many other coins to chose from . And not until it is atleast authenticated ....  Only then will she be MY LITTLE ONE OF A KIND PRECIOUS PRECIOUS  ... 😂😂😂

1 hour ago, Quintus Arrius said:

With so much ire in the air, I would like to try a different tack.  You said all this stems from a remark made by a "local coin and antique auctioneer."  Fair enough.  Would it be bad form to simply return to that gentleman (or lady) for further elucidation on exactly what it was about the coin that led him to make that observation? I am not taking sides and would prefer to reserve judgment until more information can be obtained. Is that still possible, RR2020?

Excellent point ... And no I dont think it is possible ... because to be totally honest . He too had never seen one like it before and after examining the coin CLOSELY under his eye loop he then pass the coin back and for some odd reason lied and said that he didnt deal with dimes DESPITE the fact that there was actually a glass case right infront of me with over 100 sliver dimes in it that I had just finished staring at ... And so I decided at that point that there was really no sense in me waisting my time with him and came right out and asked him out of all the finishes on coins in his PROFESSIONAL OPINION which finish did he believe the coin has ... which in response he then replied ... Well It clearly looks like A MATTE FINISH . And so you see getting the truth out of him was like forcing him to admit something that he really didn't want to admit he was seeing and it felt like trying to get a honest answer was like squeezing milk out of a rock . And the same thing applies to another well known coin expert that I tried reaching out to like MR. FRED WEINBERG ... who after I showed the coin too he too tried to simply dismiss it ... But get this ... oddly enough HE TOO ADMITTED AND ACKNOWLEDGE IN HIS EMAIL that the coin has a " MATTE SURFACE " ... which he THINKS could have been caused in circulation .... 🤔🤭🤫

And so you see I PERSONALLY BELIEVE  that because no one has never seen this kind of anomaly before on a CLAD ROOSEVELT DIME they apparently all want to simply dismiss this unicorn in any fashion they can think of because they simply cant explain what it really is or simply dont think it could be possible ... which is why I'm determined to get REAL ANSWERS AND REAL TEST DONE ...

4 hours ago, RWB said:

The poster evidently does not want, and never did want, honest opinions. Even if the damaged coin is sent to a TPG, the poster will not accept any result except the one he initially expressed.

Bingo you've just hit the million dollar jack pot because unlike you I will NEVER simply just accept what people randomly tell me when the FACTS are showing me otherwise and no other explanation is offered aside from simply calling someone experts .... You see i think the problem we are all having here is that we live in two different realities and the one I live in does not HAVE ANY MAGICAL FROSTED FINISH ROOSEVELT DIMES THAT ARE CAUSED BY ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE But if you can somehow explain to everyone on hear how that makes sense to you like I pointed out to the other fellow ... then from here on it I will join this band wagon of this NEW MAGICAL ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE that somehow leaves FROSTED FINISHES ON CLAD COINS .... 😂😂😂😂😂😂... 👨‍🏫👨‍🔬🤦🏼‍♂️ 

3 hours ago, VKurtB said:

Well, the one in the 2017 Enhanced Uncirculated Set is kinda sorta similar as long as one ignores the mirrored legends on that coin.

Well I cant disagree with you there ... sounds really hard to believe dont it . Especially when they are supposed to be NONEXISTENT and your claiming to have the only one in the WORLD that exsist . Which probably would tend to have few LONG TIME COLLECTORS a little baffled and crossing their fingers hoping that it isnt ..... although I'm sure that most if not all will ever admit it .... 😉 😂

5 hours ago, MarkFeld said:

Bologna. You've been told by numerous people, including experts, what you asked about - the coin isn't a "special matte finish" example. 

But you don't really want to hear or deal with reality, when you can live a dream, instead. If you actually thought there was even a decent chance that the coin was special and valuable, you would have spent the money to submit it for authentication, long ago. Your (in)action speaks far more loudly than your many words. 

Listen im almost sure that you probably look just as about as smart as you sound ... because the only thing that I HAVE PERSONALLY LEARNED from the coin experts on here that YOU PRAISE is that whenever somebody post photos of a coin that has a EVEN FROSTED FINISH which cant be explained then they will automatically assume that it is just environmental damage or that someone has simply altered the coin despite photos of the UNEFFECTED CLAD AND COPPER EDGES of the coin not matching the FROSTED FINISH .... But just for kickers ... if truly believe that what they said somehow makes perfect sense to you .... THEN COULD YOU PLEASE JUST EXPLAIN TO US ALL HOW EXACTLY THE EXPERTS EVEN REACH THOSE CONCLUSIONS ASIDE FROM SIMPLY TELLING US BECAUSE THEY SAID SO ... ILL WAIT ... I HAVE A LITTLE TIME 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️👨‍🏫🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️  

1 hour ago, Zebo said:

So send it in - put a little money behind your opinion and have it graded. I'm not giving an opinion one way or the other, as this thread had gone on long enough. 

Well Ive already decided to do that but thanks ... And I totally agree that's the thread has gone on long enough especially since trying to get helpful insight online ... is just about as hard as carving wood with a butter knife 😆😆😆

1 hour ago, bsshog40 said:

Ok, I'll give in. Looks like a Matte Dime to me. I would send it in to have it graded!! Your persistence has convinced me that you are far more knowledgeable than anyone else here. 

Well I wouldn't go as far and say all that ... I'm just saying what I SEE and believe to be very obvious about environmental damage not causing a dime to have a EVEN FROSTED FINISH and how impossibly hard if not impossible all together it is to sandblast a coin without affecting the copper and clad edges... Although I'm sure some of the people here know that as well but enjoy arguing with FACTS . So it's good entertainment for me either way 😂

10 hours ago, JKK said:

The proof that the OP realizes he's wrong is this: he's still talking about it here, trying to pressure people into validating his assessment, rather than just sending the Rare Find in to a grading company so that his assessment can be vindicated and he can laugh at everyone all the way to the bank. No one who had the real thing would be wasting time debating it here. Ergo, he strongly suspects it isn't what he thinks it is.

Well actually I was doing what any logical person would do before sending in a coin with an UNKNOWN FINISH by trying to gain a little more insight as to how the coin could have ended up with a special finish and UNTOUCHED EDGES. But unfortunately to my disappointment no one was able to provide any LOGICAL ANSWERS besides environmental damage with a EVEN FINISH or sandblasting the coin while taping the coins edges 😂😂😂 ... But either way . That was still a VERY CREATIVE assessment you gave . Thanks for lifting my spirits. 🤦🏽‍♂️😂

4 hours ago, gmarguli said:

      

 

Fixed that for you... 

 

But I thought you said that TPG grading was too expensive? I'll help you out. Send it in to NGC and when you've proven us all wrong and it comes back Experimental Finish, I will not only pay your grading fees, but I'll give you $10,000 for the coin. 

Well that's a very modest offer of you and I will be sure to keep that in mind even though I'm guessing that if it is a TRUE ONE OF A KIND then any TRUE collector would probably see way more value in it seeing as though they are supposed to be NONEXISTENT right ... but either way i guess well shall all have to see what happens with the underdogs crazy theory . And again thank you for your gracious offer 🤞🏻 ....

4 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

From the comfort, safety and relative anonymity of a chat room, the rather vocal poodle taunts the older bulldogs. I say let the underdog have his fun! (And be prepared to make RR2020 an offer he can't refuse if he pulls an upset.)  

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🤞🏻

16 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

(I don't know that I would have the audacity and endurance to challenge your recitation of straight-forward, no-axe-to-grind, immutable facts. How does one come back from such punishing blows? You've effectively made short work of that constant refrain regarding the unmolested edge. As Archie Bunker said to his wife Edith, "You [Coinbuf] are something else!").

Frankly I'm done responding to these ridiculous and childish rants that I seem to be getting for pointing out FACTS and about the dime that I posted seeking logical opinions but so far getting no absolutely none ... infact I'm starting to think I'm making a fool out of myself by even attempting to discuss a coin with people who seem care more about their EGOS as opposed to what's really going on with the coin ... And so with that being said please take care but do keep an eye out for the results of the coin after it is sent to one of the grading company to determine if it was environmental damage or a altered coin  . Because your 100 percent right I would love to see how so may reach that conclusion without offering ANY LOGICAL EXPLANATION .

12 hours ago, l.cutler said:

I don't know why I would, but if I were going to sandblast a coin the first thing I would do would be to figure out a way to hold it steady so the blasting would not just slide the coin away.  I think the first thing I would try would be to bore a shallow dime size hole in a piece of wood to hold it, do one side then flip it.  I guess this would also protect the edge from the sandblasting.  That being said, I don't see anyone spending that kind of time on it.  I believe it is simply environmental damage.  There could be any number of reasons the edge was not affected, or it may have been smoothed out afterword from friction or handling.

Well I totally appreciate your professional and logical assessment of the different possibilities ... And I also have to agree that it makes perfect logical sense that no one would probably take that sorta time to sand blast a coin with such accuracy as to somehow not effect the edges at all . Which is why I was so blown away at some of these other replies and comments . And I also cant quite bring myself to go as far as saying that it's just environmental damage given THE OBVIOUS FACT that there is AN EVEN FROSTED FINISH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN WHICH MEETS THE EDGES PERFECTLY...  So with all that being said  along with the UNEFFECTED copper and clad edges . I think it would lead any real coin expert to give it a closer look as opposed to simply trying to dismiss it as the infamous environmental damage or altered coin . And hopefully with the right expert and right testing I can eventually get some real answers about how the coin actually ended up with such a UNIQUE FINISH .... because so far all I gotten here is ALOT OF EXPERT GUESSING . But the one thing we can all honestly say for certain is whether it's a matte finish or some other finish it's clearly not a clad Roosevelt dime with environmental damage . Because if anyone takes the time to look inbetween the grooves of the edges they will also clearly see that it is not worn nor does it have a even FROSTED FINISH like the rest of the coin which would have to rule out any theory of it being smoothed out over time from friction or handling .... But anyway please forgive me if I'm being too thorough and precise about what is really going on with the coin unlike some of us here ... but i honestly think that alot of the coin experts here seem to enjoy RANDOMLY PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE WRONG ABOUT THE COIN WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING EVERYTHING THAT IS REALLY GOING ON WITH IT ... 

25 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

Well, RR2020, you are correct about one thing - many, if not most, so-called experts will often "downgrade" very common coins, almost by habit. "Oh, that's a 62 at best!" But it's not; it's much higher. The older and more engrained they are with the way grading was in the late 1980's, the more that will be the case. Today, a 62 is a VERY ugly coin, and in many cases, it's not even mint state at all, in the technical grade. It's a VERY VERY high end AU quite often. These changes are fairly recent, and most guys hate change, or hate acknowledging it.

So what is your 1963-D MS66RD worth? My " go to" source says about $55 wholesale, more or less. It also shows a down arrow, indicating falling price.

Well after reading your reply.... i guess that you might have missed the main point entirely the same way that alot of the people missed the fact that edges of the coin does not even have the same EVEN FROSTED FINISH like the rest of the coin . But either way ... I guess we all shall have to see again once I send it in for authentication if was likely the work of a professional forger or if the mint simply made A ONE OF A KIND RARE ERROR . Because logic and common sense is telling me that it wasn't sand blasted by a forger without affecting the edges and certainly not the infamous environmental damage with a EVEN FINISH .... But it's just a little unsettling to see that so many coin collectors and coin experts have a very bad habit of being so quick give only NEGATIVE opinions  ... 🤷🏽‍♂️

23 minutes ago, MarkFeld said:

I think that if you really believed what you’ve been saying, you would have submitted the coin for authentication, long ago. Instead, you choose to live the dream that you have something special, rather than being confronted by reality from an authentication/grading company.

No im actually just like you and everyone else who simply dont wish to spend the kind of money it cost grade a coin without ABSOLUTE certainty as to what is actually going on with a particular coin first . And not to mention as I mentioned above i was being dissuaded of sending the coin in by the likes of Negative people and experts who wouldn't give a shred of FACTS to support their experts opinions which was batted down by PCGS  .  In otherword I was unaware of how coin circles really worked until now ... But now I'm very happy to say that I truly know now.  So thank you for allowing me to carefully explain that for anyone else who I'm sure has experienced the same issue 😉 😊

Hopefully genuine coin enthusiasts reading this who wish to actually learn will learn from our conversations as they will learn from the Pcgs coin grade I received of my MS 66 grade despite coin Experts with yearssssss of experience stating it wouldn't grade no higher then a MS 62 .... and I am by far no EXPERT ... And also Please note : PCGS informed that I could resubmit the coin for reconsideration on the grade as well . So to all coin enthusiasts welcome to the real world of coin experts ....   😂😂😂😂 . 

20 hours ago, VKurtB said:

Here are the items you need to create more like this:

a) an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner

b) a fairly acidic solution to put into a) above

c) a soft cotton something or other to line the bottom of the cleaner

d) a day or two

 

Presto! Matte coin.

 

I used some junk foreign coins to do mine, not a perfectly good dime.

First of all  . Thank you for your insight into the hot topic  . But you see the only OBVIOUS problem that I'm having with it is . The coin edges are completely clad and copper and clearly totally unaffected like the rest of the coin with a FROSTED Matte finish . And not to mention (((((((ASSUMING)))))))) that someone took the time to change the coins finish without affecting the coins edges woulf be TOTALLY SPECULATIVE AT BEST . But again . Thank you for your opinion and your knowledge on how someone could possibly duplicate a matte finish on a coin if they chose to do so . 

Oh and the only reason that the coin was never sent off 2 years ago is because I allowed EXPERTS with NEGATIVE INSIGHT to try to discourage me not to send it off without truly knowing if the coin bared real errors ... The same way that they tried to persuade me into thinking that a 1963 D lincoln cent valued at $14,500 would grade no higher then a MS 62 .... but ended up graded at MS 66 with PCGS ... SO THANK YOU FOR REMINDING WITH YOUR ME EXCELLENT POINT 😂😂😂😂 

2 YEARS AGO  clearly proves that their are EGOS involved  which clearly taints the educational and knowledge perspective for people wanting to actually learn and share REAL FACTUAL FINDINGS about errors and their coins ... 2YEARS AGO 😂😂😂😂

P.s. Oh and by the way ...all caps dont always mean that someone is necessarily YELLING... infact its actually just putting emphasis on a point that someone is making so please try reading in between the lines sometimes for educational purposes .... Thanks .