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Well I was actually speaking more in regards on how coins are graded in a technical sense not about who is or isnt more ACCURATE between the both of them . But thank you for your opinion and knowledge on the subject I'm sure I could always learn more as we all can and so there's really no need for any of the name calling ... infact I'm sure that my knowledge is not as vast as yours in light of the fact that I've only been collecting for about 6 years but I honestly don't care about that since I'm not competing on my knowledge of the coin grading process . It's like I said earlier . I simply just want to be certain that any coin I submit for grading and authenticating has the most accurate examination and testing humanly possible that's all . And from the sounds of it in today's coin industry it sounds like that would probably never be possible . Especially if people think the way that you say yourself . No disrespect intended . I think that in-spite of everything I've said the point I've been trying to make has been totally missed or totally overlooked and therefore i probably need to stop waisting my time trying to point that out . But again thank you for your excellent show of your knowledge in the field . Will try to make sure to make a mental note of it

Man it seems like some of you guys are becoming very creative in trying to get everyone to ignore the topic ... And it really makes a grown person wonder What in the political heck is that really all about . Is there some kind of PERSONAL GRUDGE I'm not aware of . Or is someone in a secret rat race on how many comments a particular post is getting .... Well please allow me to ease your secret frustration and grudge INSIDER ... I do not care and I'm not in any competition . I only care about my coin and everything I can do to get it accurately authentic if you haven't figured that out by now . Oh and one last serious question .... Do you have like a quarter or coin somewhere that someone hurt your feelings about ????

Well as i mentioned before I know that there will always be people such as yourself who strongly believe that they know the answer without absolutely any testing of any kind and while at the same time ADMITTING that these are just opinions and guesses and that is just the way it is . And coming from an YOUNG BULL TO AN OLD BULL . Your way of thinking and doing things is just that. YOUR WAY . NOT MINES . And it's not about being right or wrong for me . It's about the fact that no one seems to truly care about GETTING AN ACCURATE ANSWER TO HOW THE COINS FINISH WAS CREATED AND BY WHOM ... And I for one certainly do not look forward to sending a coin in to be authentic simply to be told that the coin is just altered because we think it is . And because that is just simply the way these things are done because they don't want to do testing or something as basic as comparisons if there is literally no reports of another coin in the world like it ... But hopefully I won't have to go far to breach these mundane methods ... Because I for one love collecting coins and will always desire ACCURACY OVER OPINIONS ... And believe me It's nothing personal . I am who I am and always will be

So to put it in more simple terms ... It sounds like what you are trying to say is that Paris grading scale is less extravagant then the grading scale we have at our disposal ... Which to me means to me that they too can certainly probably use a little more vamping with their techniques for grading coins for a little more ACCURACY as well . Infact change is good alot of times if you ask me. Of course nothings ever perfect but in the big scheme of things things can always be added or tweaked a little bit for more ACCURACY especially for those people who are actually paying for a service which I'm sure JUST ABOUT EVERY COLLECTOR WOULD APPRECIATE IT . But i wonder if anybody else really cares about important things like that as I do .

This one's so original I must admit .... I almost laughed a little myself .

Please excuse the slow reply ... I've been trying to respond to all the questions as best I can . But the way I acquired the coin was mentioned above in my other comment .

As i stated earlier i discovered the coin inside a roll of Lincoln cents ... and it stood out like a sore thumb after I realized what it was ... And I didn't think it was necessary to mention it. But I actually have a ton of other environmental damage dimes and dimes completely missing their clad layers none of which look anything remotely close to the smooth Even Frosted matte finish ...

I discovered the coin a few years back in a roll of Lincoln cents ... Infact I believe it was around the same time that I gained a interest in collecting coins . And accidentally threw back a 1943 copper penny in a pile of coins because I had no clue of what it was and it looked really old . Which taught me to always rule out every possibility no matter what .

Well it clearly sounds like a very flawed way of grading and authenticating coins if you ask me . Because everyone knows that if you took a PCGS MS 67 coin and a MS 66 coin and removed both their labels to allow all the PCGS graders to say which coin was which ... then it would simply PROVE that all the grades of almost every coin is nothing more then GUESSING . Which is why I personally think that all serious collectors need to collectively come together and appeal to the grading companies for a better and more accurate way of authenticating their coins through some form of BASIC TESTING TECHNIQUES , as opposed to these PREHISTORIC GRADING METHODS that you mentioned . I don't think it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that in my humble opinion . Which is what I explained to the PCGS head I spoke to after they graded one of my coin for almost $200 ... It's apparent to me that if anyone is spending that type of change for a coin grade that they should clearly want a more accurate and precise way of doing so but then again that is just my humble opinion on the matter .... Because I for one prefer accurate conclusions over EXPERT GUESSING any day ....

Listen let me be very clear . I'm not at all trying to be unreasonable or difficult... I'm just simply trying to get down to the TRUTH and trying to be logical based on what I clearly see and have in my possession . Now how on earth the coin ended up this way is completely mystery to me but believe me when I say that it is certainly not nor has it ever been ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE nor do I believe that it was sandblasted by someone with a silly sandblasting machine do the fact that mostly every coin I have seen sandblasted by someone on youtube ended up having a acid looking effect with the devices looking like they were eaten away ... NONE OF WHICH can anyone say the coin possess ... And so with those BASIC FACTS I figured that it would probably be pretty obvious and it wouldn't take a coin expert to put two and two together ... Because the finish looks precise smooth and even . Also most as if it was applied by a high quality machine or expert not like some science project ... And so thats the bottom line and the only point I've been trying to get everyone to pay attention to rather then OVERLOOKING IT and saying that I have to PROVE THIS TO EVERYONE Oh and I did notice the PL comment you made . But I thought that you were saying it was Proof struck so my apologies there . Not attacking you simply looking at the FACTS regardless of who disagrees with it ...

And so in light of all the smart and slick comments in the thread , along with yours ... Which one of those offers was I supposed to take seriously ????

Well first of all . I will admit that in the very beginning I was a little reluctant to have it authenticated due to the fact that all the environmental damage crusade members were trying to convince me that the coin bares a unique environmental damage finish like no other . And up until recently I didn't take the time to do my own research either to discover that there simply is no other ROOSEVELT DIMES anywhere on the planet with anything remotely close to having the same exact finish or atleast no one can ever seem to produce a clad dime to support any of their own theories . Also Im not sure where this PROOF matte finish dime you mentioned came from but the dime that Ive shared is actually a BUSINESS STRIKE DIME WITH A SMOOTH FROSTED MATTE FINISH ... And according to your accounts on how the U.S. mint and other grading companies would probably go about to THOROUGHLY verify if its really authentic I think it would probably be an intentional discouragement in itself for anyone looking for ACCURATE ANSWERS . But I don't think it will be for me because even if my UNIQUE REQUEST TO OBTAIN THOSE ACCURATE ANSWERS has to be paid for then I'm certainly up to the challenge as soon as I have the extra resources to do so . Also i don't think it should have to be a matter of me trying disapprove what anyone thinks either ... infact I think it should only be a matter of determining if the coins finish is authentic and where the coins finish actually came from in order for other serious collectors to enjoy the discovery of A POSSIBLY NEW UNIQUE DISCOVERY PIECE . I mean isn't that what recording NEW DISCOVERY COINS should really be about to begin with ??????? But nevertheless I will try my best to overcome all these HURTLES THAT YOU'VE MENTION and hope to find ACCURATE answers through testing despite what Im apparently up against and despite if it is or isn't a TRUE MATTE FINISH DIME THAT WAS SOMEHOW CREATED BY THE U.S. MINT .

Well I'm somewhat in agreement to the extent that there is NO KNOWN RECORD for any matte finish Roosevelt dime ... However what I'm not ok with is the statement that U.S. MINT NOR TPG would not make every possible attempt in THOROUGHLY ruling out every possibility to a claim of a ONE OF A KIND COIN ... Because to me that clearly seems a little bit odd and unfair for anyone seeking an ACCURATE assessment of their COIN ... But anyway . Please excuse me if all the FRIENDLY ATTACKS and SLICK COMMENTS that I've been getting are getting me a little twisted up at this point . And just to be clear I simply would like real testing done unlike so many others in the post who would rather rely solely on the OPINIONS of experts and nothing more ....

Well this is such a PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE to such a small request wouldn't you say And I think i finally get why someone in the post actually mentioned that even he knows a guy who has a very unique coin that grading companies wouldn't say is bad and yet won't authenticate either ... INFACT It should be very clear to anyone here that these professional steps could Easily validate or disapprove what everyone here believes WITH SUCH EASE ... and yet you say with such conviction that the U.S. mint nor TPG would accommodate this kind of request since there IS NO RECORD OF A MATTE COIN EVER BEING STRUCK FOR THIS DATE AND MINT ... So let us all allow that to really sink in for a little bit : U.S. mint and TPG will say to eachother : Hey this guy claims that he has A ONE OF A KIND COIN . So let's be sure not to give this coin every possible test where there's no record of one ever being struck by the mint because we don't believe it exist .... YEP CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE A WONDERFUL SYSTEM AND PLAN WOULDN'T YOU SAY .... And it probably also explains why the other gentlemans unique coin has still not been authenticated YEARS LATER I bet. Infact heres another good idea ... i think that ALL COIN EXPERTS with this same mindset as yours should probably just start wearing T-shirts that read : Welcome to the coin group where we dont care about looking for accurate answers and we simply do what we want . LOL

Well I thought it would kind of be obvious : But for starters I would think that they could simply have the same special finish process that is applied on other coins at the mint to be applied on another dime and simply compare these two results . Either that or simply have the mint employees who creates these special finishes for mint attempt to verify any distinct details from the coin in the minting process ...

No heres a very good idea ... how about you simply create your own post to show other serious coin collectors how to be taken seriously ... And please dont get me wrong because I think i get it ... since its very apparent that most of you could really care less about the coins actual finish .... INFACT alot of you if not all of you in the post simply have some personal GRUDGE with the fact that i simply did not just except being told that its environmental damage or an altered coin by the experts , who never bothered to offer even the slightest break down to show others how that's possible let alone without showing a single example of a coin with the same frosted finish that is remotely close to the coin in the photos ... Furthermore this is where it might sting just a little bit .... You see in my expert opinion a opinion is simply AN OPINION it is not a PROVEN FACT nor can any COIN EXPERT AUTHENTICATE THE COINS FINISH BY GUESSING . And so now I CHALLENGE ANYONE in this post to show a single clad coin that exhibits the same EVEN FROSTED FINISH caused by environmental damage ... IF NOT I MUST FOREVER QUESTION THE REAL MOTIVATION BEHIND EACH AND EVERY COMMENT AND NEGATIVE OPINION IN THIS POST .... Because you see unlike many of the people in this post I can stand being wrong about a coin but what I won't continue to do is entertain anymore of this IMMATURE trash talk and these OPINIONS that are clearly motivated solely by GUESSING AND EGOS ...

Well to put it simply ... If reaching a FINDING OF FACT is based solely on the number of EXPERTS GUESSING as opposed to an EXPERT actually conducting a physical test to determine how a coins finish was actually applied ... Then I must say that I do not wish to participate in those kind of coin groups because status and reputation outweighs accurate findings ...

Well actually I was simply just trying to take a break and avoid any more negative comments ... But since you seem to genuinely want to know or THINK that I don't have an answer then please allow me to be very clear for ANYONE ELSE reading the post .... You see so far all the OPINIONS THAT I'VE RECEIVED FROM THE POST AND EXPERTS ARE JUST OPINIONS AND NOTHING MORE . OR AT BEST , THEY ARE ONLY ( EXPERT - GUESSES ) . And so what I'm hoping to find is an expert who actually specializes in conducting ACCURATE TEST to actually authenticate the coins finish as opposed to simply giving the coin EXPERT GUESSES ... Because you see there is clearly a HUGE DIFFERENCE when AN EXPERT is giving AN OPINION as opposed to when AN EXPERT IS ACTUALLY AUTHENTICATING A COIN and that's what makes a big difference ... Infact I've even shared articles to show why this is very important in determining a coins actual authenticity .... Like the article I shared showing how several experts made the mistake of saying that a particular coin was a fake when infact it later turned out to be a rare coin worth millions . Which is why I could not be bullied or intimated into simply accepting the EXPERT GUESSES that the coin was simply the product of Environmental damage .... DESPITE the obvious photos showing and proving that the coin actually has a VERY EVEN and VERY SMOOTH FROSTY FINISH unlike all other Roosevelt dimes in the world .... But anyway ... Hopefully the coin will be carefully examined and properly authenticated so that I won't have to be like the guy who has a very unique coin that the grading company won't say is bad but yet wont authenticate it either ...

It never ceases to amaze me with those people who have all the right answers ...

Well I do apologize Ronnie Stein because I honestly wasn't aware that I had any SEROIUS offers presented to me ... infact I've had a very close friend of mines who also gives me good advice and opinions everyday on these topics who also says that HE didn't see any serious offers either .... But please forgive me if you think I've insulted or offended anyones offers since that is not my intention ... And please tell me exactly what these 3 offers were that you are referring to or what YOU THINK A FAIR OFFER SHOULD BE ? Because I've seen a few mind blowing suggestions here already Although Im told I shouldn't take them seriously ...

Well im truly sorry if you feel that I'm treating anyone unkindly even if that is clearly not the case here ... Infact to be totally honest ive had to learn from other people in the world including people in these coin circles how not to be timid amongst the wolves that really do exist ... In otherwords I do wish that we all could just be amicable when addressing one another and trying to get accurate answers to unicorn coins that don't exist . But unfortunately I'm sure that won't ever be the case and so i guess I just have be that Baaaaaaaad sheep that all the wolves have a particular distaste with

Well I must say that I truly feel honored to have someone so dedicated to share their thoughts to a little OP when they say they only post 4× comments a year . And so please allow me say whether I'm right or wrong about the coins finish I truly appreciate your honesty and fed back on the topic especially with all the I AM COIN RULER COMMENTS . Because I'm certain that there's not too many coin collectors here who would shell out $456,000 on a single coin let alone $516,000 . And yet they all seem to have all the answers as to why SERIOUS and dedicated coin collectors like your self chose to do so .... LOL . But either way . Thank you again for you mature and unbias comments . Because It was rewarding enough to me regardless of the outcome of what my heart and eyes keep telling me it really is .... Oh and one last important thing ... Aside from a missing S dime error . And against all the apparent negative comments . In your personal and honest opinion as a serious collector if you had the chance to own A ONE OF A KIND COIN THAT NO OTHER SERIOUS COLLECTOR POSSESSED OR BELIEVED TO EXSIST . Then what would you personally feel a coin like that would be worth TO SERIOUS COLLECTORS solely on RARITY ...

To the coin God VKurtB who calls other people post pernicious garbage ... I think that it's about time for you to take a nap or get your diaper changed or find something more productive to do with your special time at the old folks home . Because you see I for one do not care for things like status or acceptance which is why I still stand firm on the coin I've discovered with the unique Finish dispite your magical wave of the hand or any coin company that may dismiss it without conducting ALL the appropriate test to rule out what it actually is .... And more importantly let us all never forget about the guy who was told BY NUMEROUS COIN EXPERTS how the coin he possessed was nothing when in reality it was actually a rare coin kind worth millions . Because to me I believe that alot of THE KNOW IT ALLS HERE COULD STAND TO LEARN A THING OR TWO FROM WHAT HE PROVED TO THEM ...