RichieRich2020

12 hours ago, World Colonial said:

I'm not aware you are going to get NGC or PCGS to test your coin.  Are you willing to incur this expense? It certainly won't be cheap.. We are likely talking about hundreds of dollars at minimum.  I don't think they do this in-house and for the reasons you have read here, don't believe they would agree to send it out either.  And they shouldn't.

What testing do you propose and what exactly is there to test?  I have never heard of testing for environmental damage which is what you are being told here.  Will you even accept the results, from anyone?  Your replies here indicate you won't.

I don't even remember what everyone else has written by now but the point I was making in my last reply is that there is no record of a matte FDR dime ever being struck.  Or if there is, I have no knowledge of it.  

I'm aware of unrecorded coins being recognized but usually (always?) it's from a time when the US (or other) Mint didn't keep comprehensive records or the records were later found to support the claim.  RWB who posted above would know about that, as he is one of the foremost researchers of US coinage alive.

I don't know about other TPG.  "insider" works for one of them but even if they agree to do it and agree with you, it's almost a certainly that it won't be accepted by most collectors because that's the reality of the marketplace.  It won't "cross" to NGC or PCGS which means most collectors won't recognize it either.  (The 1936 South Africa "MS" farthing is a "not close at all" example.  NGC recognizes it because it's in Krause but the price indicates there is substantial doubt over its classification.)

The last point I'll make here is that your posts make it evident you don't understand what drives collector demand which would make this coin worth what you think it should be.  A few posts here have indicated it's "possible" but as usual, they write in the abstract.

The rarity alone isn't enough to make anyone want it.  That's part of what I was explaining in my prior posts.  The "No S" dimes are presumably expensive for the reasons I gave, included first in the Red Book and then later added to Registry Sets.  If NGC or PCGS don't recognize your coin (which they won't for all the reasons here), you'll never get it added to the registry which means it's never going to be worth what you want either.

So it sounds like to me that your replies are solely motivated by your own disbeliefs and your apparent dissatisfaction of my post . Like saying that there is no record of any FDR dimes ever being struck with a matte finish to imply that it's totally IMPOSSIBLE and inconceivable . And to me that just goes to show that your in-depth knowledge of coins only goes as far as WHAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS dispite all the evidence and other coins in the world that have been discovered which NO ONE BELIEVED EXISTED . And so with that being said I think it would be wise to no longer address the slot of these negative comments because I too see that it would be totally pointless to hold a intellectual discussion on the topic . Since you clearly have all the answers without no testing as many others in thread . 

13 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

I respectfully disagree. It doesn't take much to engage an OP on his own terms.  Besides, this thread, remarkable for both its length and the extended discussions it has evoked from every quarter of the Forum, is worth its weight in gold on entertainment value alone. Some people, I guess, just take things too seriously. I am with you on this one, RichieRich2020!

Well I can't agree with you more QA ... Infact Im not sure we're all the anger and rage came from but I do believe that the lad may really want to seek some counseling because it seems like he seriously has some major anger issues going on ...

10 hours ago, World Colonial said:

Especially under US criteria, there are plenty of "rare" coins:  errors, obscure die varieties, the TPG grade.  Approximately 99% aren't, won't and shouldn't be worth any meaningful value because what makes it "rare" or even unique isn't interesting to hardly anyone, predominantly if not exclusively only to those who claim it because they want to make a windfall.  99% of those who own these coins wouldn't pay any meaningful price for it either.  They just think someone else should with theirs. 

That's the reality with this coin, even if it is what the OP claims.  Why would anyone want it at any meaningful price, other than because the OP prefers it?

On one occasion, I bought a (purported) three coin silvered bronze set from Cayon.  It was a 1952 South African farthing, half penny and penny.  I paid about $1600 for it.  The listing claimed evidence to support the auction description but didn't provide it.  NGC returned it as "artificially colored".

When I spoke to someone, they told me they wouldn't agree with Cayon without evidence to prove that it actually came this way from the SA Mint.  I didn't blame them or whine about the result.  Cayon refunded my money but it was my fault for not knowing this in advance.  In retrospect, there is no reason to believe South Africa would have struck KGVI patterns the last year of the series.  It doesn't make any sense. 

It's "possible" the US Mint could have struck a previously unknown or unrecorded "matte" or "SP" (clad) FDR dime but what reason is there to believe it?  For what purpose?  What we do know is that in over 700,000 combined grading events by both NGC and PCGS, there isn't a single one recorded for any FDR dime date, except 1964-1966 SMS.

WELL I GOTTA ADMIT ...  THIS HAS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST HONEST AND LOGICAL REPLIES THAT IVE READ . AND I CANT EVEN DISAGREE WITH YOU ONE BIT . SO IM HOPING THAT IM ABLE FIND A VERY REPUTABLE AND PROFESSIONAL COIN COMPANY WHO BELIEVES IN THOROUGHLY EXAMINING AND TESTING COINS IN ALL RESPECTS BEFORE SLAPPING THE FAMOUS ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE OR ALTERED COIN LABEL ON IT WITHOUT ANY TESTING ... 

9 hours ago, Insider said:

 

Sorry to hear you hit your head and broke some bones in the accident.  There are several places where you can send you coin for a free exam.  All it takes is a phone call or letter + return postage.  Collector's Clearinghouse did this at one time and I know there is at least one TPGS that would look at it for free because if it is unaltered it would be front page news for the TPGS that authenticated it. 

BTW, I'm dealing at the moment with a man who has a unique coin that he has been trying to get certified for years.  No one will call it bad yet no one will authenticate it either.  Guess I'm his last shot.  The reason I'm mentioning this fact is like you, he plans to take it to his grave if it is not authenticated.  His plan is safe with me but he better not mention this to any one else because grave robbers may want his unique million dollar coin.

 

 Well thank you alot for the very helpful info . I will certainly see if I can try one of those trusted sources you mentioned . Infact I'm very glad to see that there are still a few other coin collectors out there who have no problem with accepting that there are possibly unique coins floating around which some people will tend to quickly claim that isn't anything without bothering to conduct any test to show that it really isnt . Like the fact that you say NO ONE WILL CALL HIS COIN BAD BUT YET NO ONE WILL AUTHENTICATE IT . And to a rational person it makes you wonder if I should even waist my time trying to get ANY REAL ASSESSMENT of it especially since this sort of thing seems to be the norm in most coin circles . Or maybe I could just try to speak with him directly to see if it's even worth all the hurtles he had to go through for years without no real resolution with coin specialist being so reluctant to even authenticate his . Infact i'm almost sure that I will more then likely experience the same response as well if there is simply NO WAY OF ACTUALLY PROVING THE ORIGIN OF THE COINS FINISH or that it might just be SLAPPED with one of their famous labels for ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE or ALTERED COIN SIMPLY CAUSE WE SAY IT IS .... BECAUSE TO BE HONEST IM STILL WAITING FOR A SINGLE SHRED OF PROOF OF A EVIORMENTAL COIN JUST LIKE THIS ONE OR EVEN A SANDBLASTED COIN THAT SOMEONE CREATED WITH THE SAME PROFESSIONAL FINISH TO SHOW EVERYONE EXACTLY WHAT THEY CLAIM IT IS .  LOL

7 hours ago, bsshog40 said:

This is where you have no clue  who you are talking to or about. You are nothing but a little newbie TROLL that came on this forum to convince somebody that your damaged dime was worth something other than 10c. Everyone that you have tried to influence with your arrogance, has told you it's worth a dime. You have been given opinions from  some of the most respected people in the industry and yet you cry and stomp your little feet because it's not what you want to hear. You give excuses for not wanting to send it to any of the top TPG's because I think we all know why, you know it's junk and, like a troll, just can't give up irritating people. You created more havoc in  this one thread on this forum than I have seen in quite some time. I'm really surprised that NGC has let this worthless thread run sooo long. I will be blocking you after this post. You are nothing but an immature, supposed 40 yr old man??? LOL You act just like the adult children  of today. Someone who lives in their mommy's house, no job, playing video games and visiting internet forums and pretending to be someone that you are not. In my opinion, you are nothing but a POS and I'm done entertaining you. If NGC doesn't start removing trolls like yourself sooner, this forum will go even further downhill!!!! YOU NEED HELP!!!

First of all how dare you speak to me that way when YOU CLEARLY DO NOT KNOW ME from a can of paint and therefore you should keep all your disrespectful and brave internet comments to yourself ... And since you want to bring up the NGC I do hope that the NGC administration reads all your comments because they really need to band people like you altogether . You clearly seem have mental retardation issues and are delusional and you seem to enjoy STALKING OTHER PEOPLE POST and insulting people over the Internet who disagree with your negative opinions . Infact heres a little NEWS FLASH FOR YOU ...   Just because you or any coin expert decides to gives an opinion don't mean that it's a PROVEN FACT especially WITHOUT ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING IN SUPPORT OF IT . in otherwords . I hate to break the news to you so bluntly but you are not a COIN GOD and neither are they so you really need to come back down to earth and have a reality and check .  Further more from this point on ... please be sure to remove yourself from my post and find someone else to harass ok because Im 100% POSITIVE that I did not ask you for your idiotic opinions or comments in the first place and I no longer want you commenting on my post TROLL . 

3 minutes ago, bsshog40 said:

I think that you mistake who the actual troll is here. Here's a definition of what you have started!

to act as a troll (see TROLL entry 3 sense 2) on (a forum, site, etc.)… is also notorious, for trolling message boards on the Internet

And I suppose that is not who you are and exactly what you do ... Especially since you clearly seem to love visiting other sites hoping to create havoc in this post

31 minutes ago, bsshog40 said:

1 hour ago, RichieRich2020 said:

Well due to some little money restraints that im currently experiencing in real life as a result of a bad motorcycle accident that left me with 5 broken ribs , a broken scapula and a torn shoulder ... It caused me to drain all my savings while I took time letting my bones heel up and so unfortunately ive been unable to send it in as of yet .

 

I wonder what the excuse was a couple years ago when he argued this coin on another forum??

No need to come to my defense QA ... Because trust me I'm sure that if anyone goes back and read my previous comments they too will see how I clearly explained to the TROLL how I was persuaded by other coin experts to believe that the coin was probably not worth looking into but luckily decided to stash the coin away for more thorough research ...  So that more TROLLS like himself could offer his expertise with ZERO SUPPORT to anything that he ever has to say ... 

6 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Perfectly understandable. Hope you get well soon!

Well I certainly appreciate it ... And I've almost healed up pretty good with the exception of not being able to sleep properly ... which probably explains why I'm always up at 3 and 4 in the morning responding to some of these amazing comments . And not to mention it was also REALLY BAD TIMING with Corona going on .... Because at first I thought I would simply heal up and just get back to my business as normal ... but that was up until my most LOYAL customers started telling me that they couldn't use my services with their business being slow ... So i Guess It was just crazy timing 

3 minutes ago, bsshog40 said:

 

11 hours ago, Just Bob said:

We could do a much better job of discussing this topic if you would ease off on the sarcastic attitude a bit.

Yes, I am well aware of the 1975 no S dime, as well as the other three no S dimes, the 82 no P, and other Roosevelts that are highly sought after. After all, I have been collecting the series for many years, I have studied the series quite a bit, and do know a little about these coins. If you go back and read my comments, you will notice that I said "generally," meaning, in this context, "most, but not all." There are always exceptions. But, you are comparing two completely different items. The no S dime is a known, listed rarity, which is necessary to have a complete set of all date/mint mark combinations. Since there are only two known, there is competition for them. Your coin, according to you, is a special finish piece that was somehow released into circulation. (If I am wrong about that, please correct me) In order for it to bring the six figure price that I assume you think it is worth, there has to be a buyer for it. I just don't think the market is what you think it is for that type of coin.

As I and others have stated, this is all just speculation as long as the coin remains raw. Without authentication from a major service, the coin is worth ten cents, or whatever you can get someone to pay for it. Why don't you go ahead and send it in, and let's get this matter settled, once and for all? If it is real, by all means, come back on here and brag as much as you want. I will eat crow with the rest of the members, and, to be honest, will be extremely happy for you.

Well due to some little money restraints that im currently experiencing in real life as a result of a bad motorcycle accident that left me with 5 broken ribs , a broken scapula and a torn shoulder ... It caused me to drain all my savings while I took time letting my bones heal up and so unfortunately ive been unable to send it in as of yet ... And hopefully this will help these little ones who keep attempting to imply that I'm being reluctance to send it in since they clearly dont understand rather then just trying to CREATE a reason of their own ... Now I still have to stand very firm and STRONGLY disagree with your theory that there is probably not a market for such ONE OF KIND COINS like the highly sought after NO S variety you compared it to ... because In my personal opinion a coin SIMPLY MISSING a S when compared to a business strike coin having a SPECIAL FINISH that it is not supposed to have unlike any other coin in the world would be an even greater discovery to me seeing as though THERE IS SIMPLY NO OTHER COIN LIKE IT KNOWN TO EXSIST . And you see I think that THAT FACT ALONE for any serious collectors would hold VERY SIGNIFICANT VALUE by itself .  And not to forget the demand for NEW DISCOVERY PIECES have to FIRST be created through articles , marketing and other factors none of which have yet happened in order to see what other collectors will really think about it as well . And so in otherwords for ANYONE to try and assume that other collectors wouldn't care or see the coin as being valuable if no more valuable as the NO S variety would simply be like trying to put the carriage before the horse in this situation ....  And again that is just my personal opinion and I'm going to stand firm on it until I can have it authenticated and appraised by several different grading companies and collectors despite how much anyone in thread would like me to simply just accept their opinion and agree with THEIR WAY OF THINKING because they strongly believe They have all the answers ...

And oh yea  one last important thing.... If it did somehow come back as authentic with a low ball valuation when it is a ONE OF A KIND COIN . Then chances are I would more then likely be HAPPILY BURIED WITH IT or just pass it along down in the family since it would clearly be part of History with regards to me finding the only SPECIAL OR EXPERIMENTAL FINISH DIME IN THE WORLD . Because believe it or not It's not always about the money for some people ....

Well just to elaborate a little on the comment In which someone boldly indicated that Roosevelt dimes are not that sought after or valuable to SERIOUS COLLECTORS with deep pockets . I thought it would be a good idea to point out that just recently as last year . A modern 1975 proof Roosevelt dime that is simply missing the S mint mark sold at auction for an astounding $516,000. And yes you did hear that correctly ... I said it sold for an astounding $ 516,000 Which is OVER A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR A MODERN BORING ROOSEVELT DIME ... And I won't even include all the other modern Roosevelt dimes that have actually sold for thousands of dollars simply because of a boring mint error or because they have full bands or a high grade which im sure some coin experts with decades of experience would probably also deemed to be very insignificant or not sought after by deep pocket collectors . In otherwords . You see the point I'm trying to make is . If you do a little more research on what modern error dimes have actually sold for on the market you would clearly see that your evaluation or assessment on what deep pocket collectors are willing to pay for ONE OF A KIND DIMES is wrong because to me call me crazy but the market is telling me that their might actually be a collector out their who values ONE OF A KIND modern dimes slot more then others .... but if YOU don't really think so as you suggested and you have some very nice graded dimes of your own that you think arent that sought after or valuable... then please do me a tiny favor and let me take them all off your hands for a few bucks and I promise you that I'll make sure they all find a good home

10 hours ago, Just Bob said:

I need to clarify something in my above post. When I mentioned the coin being deemed a pattern, I left out the fact that this would require verification from the mint itself, plus being listed in Judd or a similar listing of known patterns. This is unrealistic, considering that the dime is normal except for the finish, but I mentioned patterns because they often fall under the category of "unique," and so were included in my search for average prices. I believe the coin was altered after it left the mint, but, if it proved to be genuine, I think it would be viewed as an error coin, and would probably bring between one and two thousand dollars at auction at most.

Well First of all thank you for your in-depth input and opinion on the matter . But I've decided to give up trying to debate and convince anyone of the professional looking finish on the coin especially since from the very outset my post was being attacked in EVERYWAY POSSIBLE ... from it being called a RARE form of Environmental damage that somehow leaves a SMOOTH EVEN FROSTY FINISH .To it being a sandblasted coin despite the FACT that it takes a professional to apply a finish of that kind which such quality and precision ... But anyway . The bottom line here is . Although I don't fully agree with your assessment that it would be worth between 1,200 and 50,000 ... and then dropping way down to 1,000 to 2,000  . I do agree with your statement of it being worth what someone is willing to pay for it.  And more importantly what I myself would be willing to sell it for if I ever chose to sell it to A SERIOUS COLLECTOR who truly values ONE OF A KIND coins ... And in regards to it being a ONE OF A KIND . I still think it makes the coin ABSOLUTELY PRICELESS  to the right collector. . But then again that is just my opinion and the opinion of a local coin and antique auctioneer in my city . So I'll agree to disagree with your valuation . And in the mean time . Thank you for taking the time out and weighing in . I do appreciate it . 

On 7/27/2020 at 8:02 PM, Just Bob said:

I would like to add just one more thing for future readers of this thread. The idea that, even if this coin were the real deal, and unique, it would be "priceless," is purely wishful thinking. In order for this, or any coin, to bring really big money, there has to be strong demand among collectors with deep pockets. Generally speaking, the numismatic heavy hitters do not collect Roosevelt dimes

Or, error coins.

Well call me crazy . But generally speaking .... To say that a serious collector who doesn't have Roosevelt Dimes in their collection would not want to be the only person in the world with a Special Finish Dime would be somewhat unrealistic wouldn't you say ???? 

And if that dime was the only known dime in the world with a Special Finish then it would also be impossible to say that its not priceless if that coin is A ONE OF KIND ... But then again maybe you can tell everyone reading this how someone could value such a coin because that would be very interesting ... 

58 minutes ago, Coinbuf said:

The only thing that die marker (if it really is one) (and if you can find another 1993-d dime with the same marker) will tell you is that more than one coin was coined from that obv die.  And if you are able to find another dime with that marker and its not the same matte finish then you will know yours was altered after it left the mint.  Sounds like a lifetime search for the proverbial needle in a haystack, good luck.

Well i have to say that I am now beyond happy and actually at lost for words at this point . Because you see Coinbuf . The truth of the matter is for very long time now I've held a little small important detail to myself that I now believe holds a very significant and valuable key to this Matte Finish Coin mystery . You see the FACT is a long time ago when I first shared the coin in a coin group. Another person actually shared a dime with the EXACT SAME MATTE FINISH on the reverse of his coin as well but not the Obverse and at that time I really didn't think it mattered too much UNTIL NOW . Because you see if his coin contained the same finish as mines it now tells us that the coins finish was infact put there at the mint . And so now all I need to do is remember if it was the cointalk group or another coin group who shared the reverse matte finish coin and VERIFY if the finish was experimental or a Special finish that the mint abandoned and simply never spoke of that somehow got out into circulation  . But either way .... THANK YOU Coinbuf your the best . 

33 minutes ago, Just Bob said:

Please explain how you intend to use this new information that you have learned about die markers to authenticate the "special frosted finish" that you feel your coin has. I honestly do not understand how it will affect the identification either way.

Well im not sure how that's possible either ... Because I thought that the die marker only identifies that the coin is real and was created at the mint . LOL  

6 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

I hope you’re aware that the author of this article has already weighed in here. 

Well that's very odd . Especially considering the fact that NO ONE here ever bothered to mention to look for any die markers on the coin except for Mr Wondercoins of course .  Which kind of makes a person wonder ... why that is

You see . If you ask me I think that most people were more focused on attacking the OP and his irrelevant coin that they TOTALLY forgot to mention A WHOLE ARTICLE that explains all the important aspects it takes when authenticing a coin but then again maybe I'm just reading that part of HIS article wrong ...   .  

1 hour ago, kbbpll said:

My god, this has been going on for two and a half weeks. Somebody start a gofundme for the submission fees on the condition that the OP posts the slab and let's put this thing out of its misery.

Seems like someone don't appreciate the opinions of the other well respected Experts either you guys ..... SO LET'S GET HIM !!! 

43 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

I believe my trash hauler had a pearl of wisdom similar to that on his trucks. 

And I believe that my ALLEGED lack of wisdom may hopefully someday teach a few wise ones how not to be so quick to rule out a particular coin as eviormental damage without first giving it the real diagnostic and examination it requires inorder to reach a accurate opinion ... in otherwords the environmental damage theory has gotten so popular in coin circles that it appears that most coin experts and seasoned collectors no longer believe in examining each coin thorughly anymore for little things like DIE MAKERS which could be very HELPFUL  as the article below trys explains the IMPORTANTANCE of on a few other Dimes ironically ...

4 hours ago, VKurtB said:

I’ll dig it out tonight and slap it under the ol’ stereo microscope. The lesson here is just because something’s “different”, that doesn’t make it special or important. 
 

Seriously? You’re up at 2 something in the morning posting about this piece of junk you own?

Yep well it might be junk to you but its treasure to me .... And I'm looking forward to seeing your Matte finish junk as well.  Lol

5 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Well, there you have it. The OP; the party who made a suggestion; various parties (with a herd mentality) who, quick on the collective trigger, shot the perfectly good proposal down in cold blood; the referral itself; and notably one party who spat out, I don't want to hear anything more about "that dime." Then the good part: the party to whom the matter was referred -- amid a chorus of those who cried out, Don't waste his time like you wasted ours, graciously accepts, and the OP -- whom countless parties railed against and vilified as a troll who had already made up his own mind and would never accept a finding contrary to his own, surprises all other parties by humbly accepting news of the exchange which MF was not obligated to share. And through it all an intriguing aspect emerges: a "diagnostic marker," which one party, ME!, was quick to dismiss as nothing more than pigeon poop. This is merely an introduction; much work remains to be done. I do hope the OP follows through on the promising lead discovered. My best to all those who made this production possible. (I have to go now before someone realizes I broke my promise to remain off this thread.)

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😉No please don't go just yet ... Because i believe that your creative expressions and dialogue make the post extremely unique in my book . So without a impartial referee It would simply just be another boring post where the old wise ones attempt to overwhelm and out number the newcombers to deter them from second guessing or challenging their opinions . So we actually need you here man !!!

5 hours ago, VKurtB said:

I own a dime every bit as matte and luster-absent as the OP’s, but it has magnificent detail. It was graded by the old ANACS, the small slab guys, in about 1994, as an MS60FSB. No, it’s not some special “discovery coin”; it’s merely a curiosity. It’s a 1935 Mercury dime. 

Well Please feel free to share ... Because i would love to see what this Matte finish dime looks like .... 

On 8/9/2020 at 7:42 AM, MarkFeld said:

I made “Wondercoin” aware of this thread and I have copied his comments below. He is an extremely active and knowledgeable dealer, particularly in the area of moderns.

“Hi Mark.  Thank you for bringing to my attention this interesting modern coin thread.  First and foremost, it is wonderful to see the passion of the OP, “RichieRich2020”.  Whether he ultimately turns out to be “right” or “wrong”, it is still great to see all that passion for his dime.  And, second, it is equally wonderful to see all the experts and fellow collectors contributing their expertise to the OP.  This is what makes this hobby great and the NGC and PCGS message boards such an invaluable component to the coin collecting experience.

There are so many ultra-talented numismatists contributing to this thread (yourself included Mark) including Fred.  As we all know, Fred is one of the foremost authorities on United States errors, varieties and the coin striking processes at the Mint.

I see that Fred has determined the subject coin to be a regular business strike example and that after the dime was in circulation it somehow developed the “matte” surface appearance that the OP sees.  I believe Fred probably put the word “matte” in quotes  so as to not confuse what he was suggesting with someone thinking Fred determined the coin had, indeed, a different US Mint striking process applied to it when struck.  But, any confusion on that interpretation can easily be verified in a short follow up letter from Fred.

My strong expertise is in the valuation of United States modern coins (1932-date).  I recently testified on behalf of the United States Department of Justice in a federal case as a Court approved expert on modern coin valuation.  My extensive valuation report and live Court testimony led to a very decisive victory for the DOJ.  Obviously, before I would complete my evaluation of the fair market value of this dime, I would need to “pin down” what exactly we had here.  Fred’s analysis of the dime would be very important to my valuation analysis as would other opinions I would use to formulate my valuation opinion.

I see a diagnostic marker on the reverse of the coin left of the upper torch area directly below the flame.  I am wondering if this marker might be useful in finding another matching dime (with a similar marker) to perhaps help in concluding the origin of the subject dime?  Does anyone have any thoughts on that?

In conclusion, of course if I was the owner of this dime, I would not be satisfied to hear my dime was worth just ten cents.  I would want to devote much more time and energy to figure out exactly what happened with this coin either before or after the striking process.  I might be curious to see if I could find a matching dime of this date with the diagnostic marker(s) I discussed.  I would also be very thankful to be getting all this free support and assistance from so many talented numismatists on this message board.

Best of luck to the OP!”

 

Well i must admit that I am very impressed and very amazed at Mr Wondercoins well thought out reply . Especially with regards to the fact that he doesn't appear to be the least bit interested in picking sides on the coins finish . Which i must add is a big surprise since I kind of expected he would be given all the replies here . Infact to my astonishment he seems to only be focused solely on the TRUE QUESTION at hand here ...  Regarding the authenticity of the coin and the coins finish . Which is why I must give Me Wondercoins opinion the utmost respect .... As a matter of fact i have to say that this is the kind of collector and expert who I would love to learn more from among a few others and soak up as much coin collecting knowledge as I could one day because I don't sense that his Ego would ever be an issue while trying to reach a sound and solid conclusion about a particular coin ... I've enjoyed the way that he thoroughly assessed important details of the coin and so I think we all could stand to learn a little in that important regard ... But either way with all that being said . Although HE NEVER AGREED NOR TOTALLY DISAPPROVE OF THE COINS FINISH . I DID CLEARLY NOTICE THAT HE WAS VERY SURE TO POINT OUT THE MARKER ON THE COIN WHICH I PERSONALLY THINK IS A VERY SENSIBLE AND GOOD POINT TO LOOK INTO . And I would also like to thank Mr. Markfeld for sharing this wonderful and professional exchange between him and Mr Wondercoins ...it is truly appreciated .

Well as Quintus Arrius so rightly pointed out the worst that could happen is that I would simply be told that the coin is not what I expected it to be and my dreams of having a one of a kind unique coin would forever be shattered ... And therefore the Experts and attackers in the post could then have something to gloat and cheer about since it has become very clear that some people if not most seem to feel offended that I choose to SEEK SOLID FACTS over the EXPERT GUESSING OF RESPECTED EXPERTS . Infact . I strongly believe that mostly everyone here was so hung up in the idea of proving the OP wrong who questioned the theories of the experts that they COMPLETELY forgot all about what the focus of the entire post was really about to begin with. That is : Finding FACTS to determine the real reason behind the coins special finish since I could find nothing more then environmental damage and sandblasted THEORIES ... And speaking of which. Today I actually had the pleasure of  watching a few videos of people sandblasting coins and to my surprise I couldn't help noticing that they all had something in common that no one here bothered to mention. Which is that sandblasting a coin to obtain a special matte finish not only takes time but takes the skill of an EXPERT to obtain such a smooth finish WITHOUT AFFECTING THE DEVICES ON A COIN like the coin I posted . All homemade coins have devices that look like they have been eaten away by acid. And Since no where on the coin i have does any of the devices bare signs of sandblasting by a novice . It leads me to believe that it would have had to occur by someone with Expert skills on applying a matte finish through a sandblasting process like a mint or either a coin expert who creates coins and finishes for a living ...  And so with all that being said I sincerely hope that whoever Mr. wonderland  is will take the same time and care as any REAL EXPERT should to reach a real conclusion on a coins finish as opposed to simply giving it the famous EXPERT GUESSING which i now realize is WIDELY USED IN COIN CIRCLES even though details and testing do matter to some people ...But nevertheless thank you all for the expert opinions and advice because it is still truly appreciated dispite all the personal feelings and negative opinions . 

P.s. Oh and by the way .  Please excuse the very long and well thought-out reply to anyone that is not very fond of reading . Because I do not wish to offend anyone else or throw more fuel on the flames already here 

1 hour ago, kbbpll said:

Another sandblasting technique. The panel in the upper right is believed to be about 11,000 years old. I was there this morning, after I spent my special matte finish dime on a smoothie.

Can someone please tell me where exactly do I need to look in order to find a just little humor in this .... 

On second thoughtv... Whatever it is you do for a living . Please don't quit your day job because telling jokes certainly ain't it .... 

18 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Dang!  I started to tap out a response but the censors overruled me. Briefly, you face a Hobson's choice: echoing some of the heavyweights among us, the coin must be validated, i.e., submitted for authentication and certification, BUT (big but) to do so would make no economic sense.  Suppose you were to roll the dice with a hefty wager and come up snake eyes?  Are you better off buying a slew of scratch offs or lottery tickets with mega long shot odds? There was a gentleman who kindly suggested you shelve your dream, for now. I am inclined to agree. It's a no-win situation.

That could be very much so ... Just as much as it could also be that it is actually a ONE OF A KIND SPECIAL FINISH DIME which probably explains why absolutely no one and I mean NO ONE were ever able to offer anything more then expert guessing and theories ... And let's us not forget the reality of the article I shared previously were the person was REPEATEDLY told by EXPERTS WHAT THEY HAD WAS A FAKE as i was REPEATEDLY TOLD HERE and it ended up being worth millions ...   

On 8/5/2020 at 4:59 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

As a certified admirer of RichieRich2020, I am prepared to make him a very attractive offer for the coin, which evidently skewed the orbit of the earth more so than the last cataclysmic, wide-ranging tsunami (2004) get this now, sight unseen AND prior to submission and authentication.

Im still very curious as to what one might value such a unique coin ... Especially in the case that Im correct and it has a special unique finish which no other collector has ?