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I appreciate everyone's input. It's all been very informative and intriguing. 

On 3/29/2023 at 9:08 AM, RWB said:

FYI "proof-like" is not a grade. It is a subjective description of the clarity of reflection off the fields of a coin.

Yeah, I realized that. I kind of attribute it to the FBL on Franklin halfs or 5FS on Nickles. Now I realize those can/are actually more 5echnical as opposed to subjective, but to me still not an actual "grade". I have just seen where some of those designations can fetch higher premiums. Perhaps my title was misleading and if so I apologize.

To be honest I am in no way attempting to grade. What I thought I knew (which is VERY little ), went out the window when I recently acquired 2 1898 O Morgans. Both graded MS64 but looking at them to me 1 would have graded higher. 

On 3/28/2023 at 7:03 PM, Sandon said:

    In my experience, a coin must have both sides meet the grading service's standards for "prooflike" for a grading service to place the term "prooflike" on the holder. NGC may give a coin that is prooflike on one side, most likely the obverse, a star ("*") grade if the coin has overall good eye appeal. I've seen star grades on NGC graded Morgan dollars with prooflike obverses and frosty reverses. Only NGC uses star grades, which are not recognized by the ANA grading standards.

   I suspect that PCGS and possibly other grading services may give coins with prooflike obverses an extra point or so for superior "eye appeal". The grading services all tend to place more emphasis on the obverse in grading.

Thank you. It needing both sides was about what I suspected but wanted to double check. The rest of your statement I was unaware of and very informative. Thank you.

Hi all,

Its been awhile since I've been here and really since I've done anything collecting wise. As I am still a complete newbie for the most part and really unsure about grading thought I would pose this question.

Would or could a coin be considered proof like if only 1 side is proof like? IE: the reverse looks proof but the obverse does not. Or would it require both sides?

Thanks

This is the only forum I am on. I don't even know who the other 3 are. I hesitate from posting at times because of some the comments I have seen, but I have stayed here because I have learned quite a bit from the majority of the members.

A lot of places I have been seeing and hearing about, they are not rounding to the next Nicole, dime or quarter. They are rounding to the whole dollar. Spoke to a friend in Ohio last night that said places there will not give change at all.

Not to intrude on the OP's post, but at the same time watching and learning I need to ask. To me, from the picture of the edge, it would not appear to be a struck through. I would think if it was struck through the tape, the edge would not appear under the tape. 

Sorry if I am completely off base and any confusion.

Maybe it has been said and I have just missed it but something I thought of today. Why is there only a coin shortage but not a bill shortage? I have gone into stores with no issues in the world going on and they are running low on dollar bills so will try and get as much as they can from you. But yet now it's only the coins?

This might be better asked in the Ask NGC section of the forum. Only advice I can offer.

27 minutes ago, bsshog40 said:

No, it is what they call a Numistamps. They are nickel. Here's the few I have. 

Very cool. Thank you.

1 hour ago, bsshog40 said:

Is that a silver bar that was made simply with the obverse and reverse of a coin or is that an actual coin? Man I hate sounding stupid but being there is so much I don't know 

5 hours ago, Morpheus1967 said:

No chance.  That's what collecting is all about.  

That's what I figure as well. Just going off some of the comments I've seen about the modern coins is where my original statement came from.

And @Just Bob I have to agree with @Alex in PA.. For someone who really knows squat about collecting  such as myself, it really is an insight and pleasure to see the knowledge displayed on this forum by you and others.

32 minutes ago, Just Bob said:

Don't take it personally. I don't think anyone expects new posters to run out and buy hundreds of dollars worth of photography equipment just to post pictures of a coin that they found. Or, even multiple coins, for that matter. I think it is more of a longing for the days - not that many years ago - when top quality pictures were the norm - pictures posted using digital cameras. Go back and look at some of the long-running threads, like the "Follow the Lead" or "Latest Acquisition." Look at some of the work of Robec, Mark Goodman, and (many) others. The difference between those pictures and the majority of what is posted now is amazing.

I know that I miss those days, myself. I remember multiple-page threads about proper photography technique, and the best type of lighting, and "which camera fits which budget," etc, etc. I remember a photo contest, where an especially hard-to-photograph coin was sent around to different members to try their hand at capturing the look of the coin. 

I personally never advanced beyond a Kodak point-and-shoot, but I learned a lot about how to light the coin, adjust white balance, crop and adjust the photos, etc. These days, I use a $75 Samsung Galaxy J3, so I really have no room to complain about picture quality, but I do still try to use proper lighting and technique. My pictures are nowhere near top quality, but they do all right for posting pictures of entire coins and tokens. If I ever have to try a close-up of a small area, though, I may be in trouble.

Really, all we ask is that posters try to present the best quality pictures that they can, using the equipment that they have. If someone puts forth a little effort to provide me with a good picture, I certainly don't mind putting forth some effort to help them with their questions.

Oh I have read through ( not completely of course ) some the threads you mention. And believe me, I am quite jealous of some of the pictures. Not just the coins themselves but the quality of the pics. 

Now back to the op I didn't mean to hijack the thread

53 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

C'mon, you know the "look what I found" crowd isn't going to, or can't, spring for a proper camera set-up. It's why they're rummaging through coins that are "different".

I don't think you were directing anything at me but I still kind of take offense to this statement because it has been said more than once, my phone is all I have. When I first joined and posted pictures I didn't realize just how intricate things could be and felt this would be suitable for the time being.

Now that I know better, I would like to get a "proper set up", but alas am unable to do so. I actually was not even aware of the attachments available for the phone camera until Karen pointed it out. 

Hate to say it but gonna need better pictures. More close up on the reverse and more in focus. I understand you used your phone, and I wish I could give ya some tips doing that but I have been chided for the same thing and still trying to figure something out lol.

I hate to speak for others but I am fairly certain they will tell you to post some pictures of the obverse, reverse, and edge of the coins. Close and clear pics are great appreciated. Properly oriented as well.

3 hours ago, Just Bob said:

I don't think I will test the congressman's theory. I'm not willing to risk jail over a bag of Cheetos.

I hear ya and I agree. I just find the whole thing absurd. 

On another note, mmm Cheetos, I think I figured out dinner haha

@Morpheus1967 believe me, my OCD is having fits with that aspect.

@Conder101 I and most people I know consider me to be a very thought out type person. But some of these things are just really escaping me and making me look really stupid lol. You are absolutely correct in being able to pull it apart. I guess I am just way over thinking things.

And actually, just pulling the coins out again and looking at them, I realized I can actually view the edges. None show copper on the edge.

Yes but again same as the paper towels figured it was too thick ( from what I understood). Needs to be like 2 ply at most, yes?

OK thanks. All I have now is paper towels ( and from what I read Googled it after you mentioned it) that would be to thick, so will have to wait until I get back to the store. I definitely want to confirm it because if they are not all silver I would like to know why NGC slabbed it saying it's a 5 piece silver half dollar set. I don't feel that would be right, hence why I think they all are.

And all of this is for my own curiosity as I am no dealer and have no intention of getting rid of these.

@Conder101 Thank you for that. Had not heard anything about the tissue tes ( yes I am that new and inexperienced to this whole deal haha). I would assume since NGC stabbed it as they did, they are all silver. Would them being encapsulated make a difference on being able to tissue test?

On 4/30/2020 at 11:37 AM, Coinbuf said:

Just Bob summed it up nicely, I'll add that imo you will get more for the set than breaking each coin out.  Proofs of this type and time frame are only worth more than face if they are at least a cam (cameo) and most need to be ucam (ultimate cameo).  The exception in this set are the Franklin and 64 as those are silver and worth more for the silver melt value.

Sorry to bring up an old thread again but I have another question. It's stated that the only silver coins in this set are the Franklin and the 64, but yet from the designation on the slab, shouldn't they all be silver? Or am I misreading or misunderstanding things? To make sure I am saying this right : Since the "grade" by NGC says that it is a 5 Piece Silver Half Dollar Set, that says to me that each coin is silver. 

Edit to add, I do realize I can ( and actually have) looked up each coins composition. 

Yeah I had noticed the mark on the B as well and did figure that was a scratch/hit that would affect value ( all though admittedly I have no clue on grading ).