Moxie15

thanks for this post RWB. I want to scream every time i see someone post that gold is 'real' money. Gold, like fiat money only has value because we all agree it does. In fact there have been times when gold was not as highly prized as other metals, in ancient Egypt Silver was more valuable than gold as it was much harder to get. Iron was more valuable for much of pre history. Aluminium was twice the value of gold in the 18th and early 19th century.

I just did a quick look up for 1850 wages in my state of NH A farm worker averaged $12.12 per month with board, A day laborer without board made $0.89 per day a carpenter without board $1.41 per day. So the need of $5 $10 or $20 coins or bills was minimal at best for the general population. I would imagine after paying housing and the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker one would be very lucky to have $.50 left from a week's wage.

uhmm yes? I came here actually looking for Roger, but I haven't seen that blasted rabbit anywhere. I started at CCF but soon found that forum tiresome. Then I looked into ATS. After a while, actually a rather short time, it became obvious that if you were not a PCGS and CAC lover you were in for a tough ride, but that was almost expected. At least here threads do not get closed or disappear every time I turn around and half the posters get banned or 'time out' at a drop of a hat.

DNC is likely a code the shop owner or previous owner uses.

I am sticking with my original thought that it is PMD from a coin counter roller

as you listed PMD as one cause I am going to say 1, PMD 2. A rough spot on a draw out roller that sizes the metal to the final thickness (if it was an earlier stage roller the lines would be flattened out by the latter rollers) 3. the collar did not fully recede before the ejector mechanism pushed the coin out of the striking position so the coin slid across it 4. the feeder finger slid across the top of the planchet 5. a rough spot on the riddler (they are riddled somewhere along the line, aren't they?)

At this time there is almost no way to say How rare they are or How much they are worth as no one knows how many there will be or much they are wanted by collectors. Personally I would not pay for one with your money if I had a grudge against you.

because the lower portion of the inside of the U tends to break and crumble more than the V That is what I was told by a sculptor at The Saint Gaudens National Historic Site about 50 years ago ( he also let take a whack at the back of a bass relief he was working on. A cool thing to a nine year old.)

the lines are parallel, relatively long and are on top of the fields and devises. They are fairly evenly spaced and a uniform depth. They appear to be caused by a cloth of fiber matrix wheel that was stationary and powered. I think they were caused by a wheel in a counting or rolling machine that was adjusted to too tight a tolerance.

pretty much what I was saying

question for @Insider If florescent light is good for viewing why is that I have such trouble seeing copper through a glass under florescent lighting?

this is an example the same phenomenon seen in the early part of this century with dollar coins. Every time the United States public, banks, and business, have a choice between a large value coin and a paper bill or note the paper becomes the choice while the coin languishes in treasure and bank vaults.

could it be a piece brook off of the edge of the die right there? To me it looks like the edge was damaged like a knife edge gets damaged when it hits something hard.

Thanks for trying, this is an old gripe of mine. I have collected coins for 50 years and this is one of the things that has always, well, worn me out. I think that no one knows what 'Specially prepared dies' means. Whenever I read it I see the agent in Raiders of the Lost Ark saying 'Top Men' to Indiana and Marcus. They were specially prepared because some Mint Spokesperson said so, therefore they were specially prepared. I think you are correct in thinking the pressure was greater and the process slower, other than that I think that the only special handling was an extra cleaning, if that much was done.

I have never failed a color blindness test until this. and I have no earthly idea how to calibrate color on a computer, so I guess I am blind and stupid

yes sir, I have seen that, I guess my question is an extension of what I asked you earlier, What was done to make them look different?

Can someone tell me what exactly is different on the 1965-67 SMS coins from a business strike and how it is achieved?

@RWB Did the law about only striking coins with the present year's date exist at that point in time?

The Coinage Act of 1965, Pub. L. 89–81, 79 Stat. 254, enacted July 23, 1965 among a few other things end 90% circulating coinage. We all knew that, nothing new. My question is why if it was not activated until mid year why did the mint not mint 1965 SILVER coins? I will have related questions, I am sure, when I get some answers to this one

@VKurtB You are correct, but you tread on thin ice as this can quickly lead to un-reason for instance; There is no credible or scientific evidence that... ANY God exist Aliens exist Ghost exist You have to believe they exist for them to exist. It is not logical nor reasonable, it is belief.

that's okay I just have never seen anything that said what made them Special but the TPG seems to know

@Coinbuf I do not understand your apparent dislike of what the OP did. I figured it out and I am just dumb farmer

Do you know what was done differently on the 1965-67 SMS?

@MarkFeld, @RWB, @Insider What was the difference in manufacture of the 1965-67 SMS Coins? WAS the same process used on the 1964 Specimen coins?

I do not think I have ever seen lead color on a copper coin. I am guessing that is a copper plated zinc or some sort of jewler's metal