Henri Charriere

Congratulations 🎊 I learned two new terms: "phantom" sets, and "holiday" circulation. Interesting observation re phantoms. However did you find that out? 🤔 To date, nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever formally inquired as to whether me or my collection exists. Honor system, I guess. Well done Walkerfan. Very well done! 🐓

No, but your images are quite titillating. 😉

This is precisely why I love this Forum! Dare I infer the obvious? Only two days to debate the matter and nearly four months later -- Covid-19 notwithstanding -- a captive audience awaits the results with baited breath. Regardless the outcome, the thread elicited a remarkable breadth of knowledge and intriguing revelations including the use of the term business strike by a collector of coins from a bygone era when such a term was not used. Even more fascinating is the priceless command performance put on by @RWB! Overlook the "horse hockey" and "indentured staff" and try to recall the last time any member delved deep enough into an element, in this case, copper, to suggest, like DNA, it has its own unique signature. Absolutely 💯% correct! To the OP: You are not alone. We have all experienced the agony of defeat but at the end of the day you still have your impressive collection of Indians and yours is the only opinion that matters. 😉

@gmarguli A bit of off-peak levity 🐓 : You must be out of your mind! Have you any idea to whom you are addressing your comments??? Q.A.: I do, but I would be remiss in my duty as a responsible fellow member if I failed to bring to his attention, as well as those lurking about, that the reason why the above depicted coins are rarely encountered is because they were not minted to commemorate an event that never occurred. The Haitian Revolution took place between August 21, 1791 and January 1, 1804. Now it is possible these coins -- with dates referring only to Columbus' "discovery," Louverture and one with no date given -- were minted, undenominated, [for whatever descriptor PCGS used on its slab] but a 1968 Proof set consisting of three silver gourdes of various denominations was housed in a quality red leather case with a velour interior. Interestingly enough, there was an attempted coup d'etat in Haiti 🇭🇹 against the "Papa Doc" Duvalier regime in July 1958, 10 years earlier, which consisted of 8 men, five of whom were American mercenaries, including a sheriff's deputy from Miami, Dade County, which failed miserably when anticipated support from the Haitians failed to materialize. From that point on, internal security matters for the dictator were handled by the notorious "Tonton Macoutes." To @gmarguli's credit, had he omitted the word Revolution, I very likely would not have investigated the matter further... So, how'd I do? 🐓: Fine, boss. 😉

I do not believe there is a single member who would challenge your unique claim of intergenerational provenance! 😉

[Attn: @VKurtB... Submitted for your approval (as Rod Serling would say)... Bought out-of-hand, on-line, solely on the undoubtedly not as nice photos provided... The future is here. What say you now? 🐓

How about melt value? Surely this shipwrecked specimen could be expected to yield more copper than your average cent in circulation today, no? 🤔

[A N D... collectors seldom appreciate the distinction among: mint-fresh; freshly minted; and straight from the mint.

🐓: Gold is going up? Q.A.: YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT? 🐓: No, we thought you were just being an optimistic fanatic! Q.A.: BULL MARKET! Now that's something to crow about! Just wait and see!

@GoldFinger1969 I keep looking for it but you've done a good job of hiding the run-up to the "bubble" and "mania" our esteemed colleague @World Colonial suggests is looming up ahead, or does that only apply to banana-stickered banknotes?

@Mr_Spud Would it be safe to say this is this is an 1817 over 1813? Would you know the reason why the 5 on the reverse leans forward? Beautiful coin with even wear throughout. 🤔

[I am not a soothsayer, but I predict member @GoldFinger1969 will be in for a very pleasant surprise in the next two years as gold prices rise spectacularly and leading economists will offer up to five, indisputable, entirely credible reasons why. @World Colonial, Not one to say, "I told you so," will sit in Puerto Villarta sporting a Cheshire cat grin. Mark my words!

Please don't take offense... but let the CrazyHoundDog neutralize both the Lucky Strike button mark on the position at 10 and the Pepsi-Cola at 5, and resubmit if for our valid criticism and amusement. 😉

Out of a sense of courtesy -- buoyed by a message I relieved privately today, I have been "beaten." (Street slang meaning "taken advantage of thoroughly.") Two sellers with two different eBay user names and 100% proven track records, and the maximum stock legally to order and own, " with presale availablility" quickly cashed (squandered) my money and simply disappeared. Ebay washed their hands of the whole affair. And that is where things stood as the initial negative impressions came in from various members for two coins I paid close to $500.w/taxes, etc. that I never really wanted in the first place. They were gifts whose anniversaries have long since past. "No comment," means I believe I've heard just about all I can stand re this centennial catastrophe. When I reviewed my order, among the things I first noticed was, among other things, the "Ask the seller" feature which was standard on a seller's site; and the fact that I used a valid debit card which sealed my fate. Ebay, sellers, merchants and buyers require you to act immediately. But lacking an expected date of delivery without PayP, my hands were tied. As far as I am concerned, a stimulus check I wasn't expecting more than made of for my loss. The next time these two anonymous scamsters suffer major losses elsewhere, I hope the undeserved fate they meted out to me comes to mind.

Victor Hugo wrote his publisher: "?" Their reply was: "!" This remains the shortest exchange of meaningful correspondence conducted to this day.

@Coinbuf Personally, I believe the chute attendant was wearing a mitt.

You mean a porcupine with a quill cut is called a hedgehog? Seriously, I stand corrected. (I showed it to my wife again and she studied it carefully for a moment before insisting, in Engligh: "It looks like a turtle.")

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What enquiring minds want to know -- principally mine -- is: now that supply has risen dramatically, how should a current owner of one of these coins feel?

Looks like you're right. They spell Swann with one "n". Nassau County, just over the border from Queens. (I seriously doubt they'd appreciate a discussion on that Swann. I believe they are predominantly Jewish -- and a bit upscale, as is the community.

Good point!

Only you could get away with a comment/question like that! I'd've been banned for a week.

[Believe it or not, there are two mens' hats stores still in business in New York. I believe some of the old movie theaters on The Deuce (that's 42d Street to you) still have those wire hat racks under their seats. But the honky-tonk atmosphere is long gone.] 🐓

True story... I showed your coin to my wife just now and she smiled and, in French, said "tortue." I told her it was a por-cu-pine, which I had never seen on a coin before. And she said, tortue again. I asked her, Does tortue mean porcupine in French? Then, all of a sudden, I remembered tortue is turtle in French... "This is a porcupine! Don't you see the sharp quills? It uses them for protection from being attacked and eaten!" O-h-h-h. Nice coin; man I love this Forum! 😀

@Hoghead515 I believe it ought to be run on the Token Tuesday thread for wider exposure. There are just so many interesting Good Luck charms featured on it. (I finally found my misplaced Sing Sing prison token. When I ran the two I had, I heard not a peep.) My only question is why would a hat company feature it on their "token" which does not denote a denomination? Maybe a memorable advertising card? To your knowledge, are they still in business? I wonder when they were made? I doubt they were circulated after the 1940' Nice find! 😉