Fenntucky Mike

Looks like it falls short to me, I wouldn't send it back in. What's the price difference between PF, PFCA, PFUC in this grade?

Maybe, but having no denomination attached at all is probably worse. Totally viable argument but for two items I have zero association with I'd go with what I find more attractive, and to me the medal is the more attractive but that is also completely subjective. I would get more pleasure out of a piece I enjoy viewing as opposed to one I don't. I have not, but that doesn't mean one isn't assigned to them, arbitrary or not. Do sovereigns have a denomination on the coin? Nope. The NGC price guide for world coins is terrible, it's pathetic, for trying to determine value on coins, at least in my experience and in the areas that I collect. I would only use it for researching coin types, identifying, and other such exercises, heck, half the time the images in the price guide are not of the actual coins listed. Anyway, as I've previously stated, I would consign this piece to auction as I think there is little downside in doing so, and I'm fairly optimistic that it will sell for above melt. If I was going to take a guess as to what this will go for in a well publicized auction of world coins and medals I would say in the 3000-4000 range, maybe more. Of course I could be completely wrong and this could sell for around melt but I would take my chances and, again, I don't see much risk in consigning this piece. My optimistic view is based on previous sales of the bronze and silver types, subject matter and country, artistic design/eye-appeal, availability/mintage, pm content, etc.. If the OP does consign this piece I hope they update this thread with auction estimate, where and when it's being auctioned and hammer price. Good luck.

I believe it is KM-XMA1b

If they offered to send a shipping label then I'd say you're golden. I'm not sure what the KM-X# is but I would expect it to be similar to the one on the holder I posted, KM-XM__, something like that. If I have time and can find my copy of the the catalog of Unusual World Coins I'll see if I can find it. Or maybe someone else will be able to provide it. Mistakes happen, I wouldn't be to hung up on it, that they are going to make it right for you at no cost speaks to their reputation in itself. There are plenty of "mechanical errors" out there by every TPG, leaving the KM-X# off the label is minor imo, and I wouldn't necessarily say that the label is wrong, just lacking some info that would have been nice to have displayed.

Yeah, that was the wrong KM# but it got them in the neighborhood. They almost always give vague, incomplete responses over email, very frustrating. I would call NGC, (+1) 855-GRADE10 (855-472-3310), you'll get a more direct answer, but I would take it to mean that they will relabel it. FYI, they use to send a shipping label to return "mechanical errors".

Think of these as Dan Carresque creations, they have a denomination but are not redeemable for one reason or another, and the denominations may not make sense based on composition but it doesn't matter because they are not legal tender, they are fantasy pieces. There were several types produce in this series, of varying compositions and sizes, all are very collectable from what I've seen with miniscule mintages. Krause use to publish a catalog called "Unusual World Coins" which lists quasi-official, non-governmental issues like this. The piece in the OP falls in this series and should have a KM-X# matching the others, I believe anyway. I don't have that catalog in front of me, but I'll try to find it tonight. If NGC can label the others in the series with KM-X#'s then I would have expected the piece in the OP to be treated similarly, unless it was never listed in Krause or maybe it was omitted on accident, or for some other reason.

Is there any edge lettering? Is the edge reeded or smooth? My guess is that there is currently no KM# for this piece and a new one was not assigned, seems a little odd since KM#'s exists for the other essais/medals/tokens and they were added to the labels. The design is the same across all the denominations so I'm guessing that the "face value" is determined by size and composition, unless there is something on the edge but my guess is that there is either nothing or " * INTERNATIONAL BANK IN LUXEMBOURG" and not a denomination. It appears that these were commissioned by the Bank and produced by the Royal Mint of Belgium on the occasion of Luxembourg's millennium in 1963. It's a great looking piece, I like it!

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I would consign this to an auction house, Heritage or Stack's Bowers in the states, or maybe Künker or Katz in Europe. The copper version has sold for many times its metal value, I would expect the gold version to also have a value above melt. An auction house would also be able to provide an estimate, but they may have a minimum dollar amount that you would need to meet in order to be accepted for consignment so you might have to include a few more items to hit the threshold. I have a feeling that this could be worth more than you think, but don't know for sure. If I have time I'll do some more digging.

First things first, can you post a few pictures of the collection, along with images of maybe one or two of the nicer or special coins? People will be better able to advise you if we have a better idea of what the collection consists of. My guess is that most if not the entire collection was pulled from circulation, coins, notes, stamps, all of it. If that's the case then you don't need to be overly cautious with the sacks of wheat cents, buffs, state quarters, etc.. If there are some really nice looking pieces, or pieces labeled "special?" then absolutely, you should take some extra care with those, but if it is a bag of dirt brown cents that look like they came straight off the dashboard of my truck I'd leave them in the sandwich bags and haul them on home for sorting. You can individually store each coin in a flip, or 2 x 2, or put them in tubes as suggested above, and this might be the best approach if no additional information can be provided, but it's hard to provide much more advice than that until we know what is in the collection. I don't know how much there is but be prepared to spend a few hundred $'s to individually house each item in the collection, maybe more, if that's the way you decide to go. Notes, if they are not already stored in individual sleeves then stacking them in piles of 10 or 20 notes and placing them in an envelope, carefully, probably isn't going to hurt them. If you post pictures of those over on the PMG forums I can take a look and probably tell you what you have there. https://boards.pmgnotes.com/ Stamps, I'd be a little surprised if these weren't already in some sort of album, holder, or still on the envelope they were adhered to. You can get a stamp album pretty cheap, might be worth it if you have a lot of them. Other option would be to take a few of the nicer pieces, or all of it, to a local coin shop, if there is one around, and see what they say.

EDIT TO ADD: Since I'm cataloging it this morning, along with the above, here's another from the town of Douglas on the IoM. This token is wafer thin, it measures under 1mm at the rim.

The article states that NGC is "accepting vintage Morgan and Peace dollars", I didn't see any additional specifics, or restrictions on types. I'm assuming NGCX is only available for bulk submissions so more than likely any Morgan or Peace dollars submitted will be common dates, anything else wouldn't make sense most likely, especially if the coins are selling for relatively low prices. I'm a little surprised that they haven't tried sticking a high dollar coin in a slab with NGCX label yet for marketing. Ooh, look at me, look at me! EDIT: I just looked up NGCX on ebay and there was a few hundred listings. I was a little surprised to see how many world NCLT coins were in NGCX slabs, as well as how many different label and core variations there are already. And Palau ok'd a Chris Farley coin. From thechivery.com webpage, "Earlier this year NGC came to us with the opportunity to release the "Power of X". That's right, Chive Rare Coins was chosen to release one of the very first coins on a grading scale of 10 and to make this moment more special we've bestowed that honor onto the 2023 Chris Farley Legal Tender! Master-crafted from solid silver, these coins are more than just a collector’s item: they are legal tender, which means they cannot be knocked off or counterfeited without legal repercussions. Secure your investment today, and watch the value of your precious metal coin grow for years to come. No matter how crazy the world gets, with a Chris Farley coin in your pocket you’ll stay lucky and laughing through it all. Gold and silver coin holders achieve entrance to theCHIVE HQ for life and the Gold, Silver, and Black Dinner in November 2023. "

That's a nice get. Been on my list for a while now.

I wonder if NGCX was the brainchild of previous ownership or current? In either case I don't think it moves the needle too much, that is until the X coins are allowed in the registry. If that ever happens.

It was originally, but now has expanded to Morgan and Peace dollars. I've paid zero attention to this but maybe it's taking off.

Good results if you ask me, 65-66 is pretty dang acceptable for coins that didn't come direct from the mint or that were broke out of a mint set. Coins in higher grades may not exist for some of these.

From the NGC website: "SP is a catchall that is applied to a variety of finishes that are distinct from the appearance of circulation issues but do not fit any of the Proof categories. Specimen can describe early US coins with bold strikes, very brilliant fields and semi-frosted devices as well as modern US coins that were produced with matte or other unusual finishes." I'd would rather coins, like in the OP, be called by the finish or whatever separates them from circulation strikes. Here is a LINK to the NGC article. Some coins with SP designation that were held by mints like Kings Norton in cabinets I can get on board with, as well as what I would typically think of as specimens such as off metal or trial strikes and the like. A somewhat grey area.

Already working on coinage from that period but it's slow going. I don't have any of the 1733 pieces, probably going to take 10, 20, 30 years, that's if I can even find them all, ones I like, and the money be right at the time. I was actually looking at one, and possibly two, of the pieces above but the timing wasn't right for me. I'm very happy that @Zebo ended up getting them, I know he'll enjoy them and give them a good home, and I can look at them anytime in his registry set.

Just curious, no problem if you don't have time. The top and bottom coins in the image I posted look like the counterstamp was applied very enthusiastically, really crushing the leaves in the wreath and the letters in "HALF", and causing the rev to bow out. The middle coin and yours don't seem as bad, less force applied. None seem to have any rim damage from counterstamping, so they were probably laid on a nice flat, even surface but I would expect all to display similar traits, smashed leaves/letters, slightly bowed, no rim damage, etc.. Even though the coins are probably work/tool hardened to some extent after coining copper is soft so no surprise in seeing this, I just hadn't noticed, or didn't remember, similar traits on some of my counterstamped pieces but they are completely different in comparison now that I'm thinking about it. Sorry, didn't mean to drag you down a rabbit hole.

Welcome to the forum. That is a large date.

Here's the rev.

It's in PCGS plastic, not sure about the asking price though. I don't know if it's a good price or not. I'd check auction records for this same piece and those of similar. Lots of fake coins in fake plastic nowadays, so do your homework. Good Luck!

Been striking out on this one, I'll take another quick look in the morning but...

Images of three more for comparison. The one in the 2x2 is listed as a BIN currently. Neo, how distorted and/or bent is yours?