VKurtB

Being nicer than PCGS is a little like being taller than a mouse. Not a tough mark to achieve.

"And, I think the guy who was saying that NGC switched a coin on him actually doesn't know what he's talking about."
Yes, this, Otherwise, several things would not be true, but are here:
1) He's having this conversation on Facebook. First indication of a beginner / fool. I guess he wanted to sell it on Etsy for thousands.
2) Why is he having a coin that can be bought at any coin show for $1.75 or less graded in the first instance? It's not even a MS coin. It has wear.
3) His choice of vocabulary reveals pretty much all we need to know about him.
People need to stop getting so all fired up and read and study more, and look at thousands of coins before sending ANYTHING to be graded ANYWHERE. Getting a coin graded is NOT some "rite of passage" that earns you a merit badge or the right to put on "big boy pants". Only knowledge does that.

"And, I think the guy who was saying that NGC switched a coin on him actually doesn't know what he's talking about."
Yes, this, Otherwise, several things would not be true, but are here:
1) He's having this conversation on Facebook. First indication of a beginner / fool. I guess he wanted to sell it on Etsy for thousands.
2) Why is he having a coin that can be bought at any coin show for $1.75 or less graded in the first instance? It's not even a MS coin. It has wear.
3) His choice of vocabulary reveals pretty much all we need to know about him.
People need to stop getting so all fired up and read and study more, and look at thousands of coins before sending ANYTHING to be graded ANYWHERE. Getting a coin graded is NOT some "rite of passage" that earns you a merit badge or the right to put on "big boy pants". Only knowledge does that.

"And, I think the guy who was saying that NGC switched a coin on him actually doesn't know what he's talking about."
Yes, this, Otherwise, several things would not be true, but are here:
1) He's having this conversation on Facebook. First indication of a beginner / fool. I guess he wanted to sell it on Etsy for thousands.
2) Why is he having a coin that can be bought at any coin show for $1.75 or less graded in the first instance? It's not even a MS coin. It has wear.
3) His choice of vocabulary reveals pretty much all we need to know about him.
People need to stop getting so all fired up and read and study more, and look at thousands of coins before sending ANYTHING to be graded ANYWHERE. Getting a coin graded is NOT some "rite of passage" that earns you a merit badge or the right to put on "big boy pants". Only knowledge does that.

"And, I think the guy who was saying that NGC switched a coin on him actually doesn't know what he's talking about."
Yes, this, Otherwise, several things would not be true, but are here:
1) He's having this conversation on Facebook. First indication of a beginner / fool. I guess he wanted to sell it on Etsy for thousands.
2) Why is he having a coin that can be bought at any coin show for $1.75 or less graded in the first instance? It's not even a MS coin. It has wear.
3) His choice of vocabulary reveals pretty much all we need to know about him.
People need to stop getting so all fired up and read and study more, and look at thousands of coins before sending ANYTHING to be graded ANYWHERE. Getting a coin graded is NOT some "rite of passage" that earns you a merit badge or the right to put on "big boy pants". Only knowledge does that.

I just returned from the U.K., and thought I'd share a story about coins from there.
 
You may know that the U.K. has two denominations that are used heavily for circulating commems, the 50p and the 10p. The Great British Coin Hunt is going on. The 50p has numerous types, such as the Gruffalo, Peter Rabbit, Kew Gardens, etc. The 10p has the British Alphabet. For example, B is for Bond, James Bond; C is for Cricket; U is for the Union Jack. VERY VERY few people even know about these coins being out there. Why? Coin roll hunters are going to banks to hoard them, and take the regular ones back to the bank. Who told me? Royal Mint staff. The prices asked in the secondary market are stupid.
The next time you feel like cussing out the W quarter hoarders, as I do almost every day, remember, incentives create behaviors, and they are fairly universal.

"And, I think the guy who was saying that NGC switched a coin on him actually doesn't know what he's talking about."
Yes, this, Otherwise, several things would not be true, but are here:
1) He's having this conversation on Facebook. First indication of a beginner / fool. I guess he wanted to sell it on Etsy for thousands.
2) Why is he having a coin that can be bought at any coin show for $1.75 or less graded in the first instance? It's not even a MS coin. It has wear.
3) His choice of vocabulary reveals pretty much all we need to know about him.
People need to stop getting so all fired up and read and study more, and look at thousands of coins before sending ANYTHING to be graded ANYWHERE. Getting a coin graded is NOT some "rite of passage" that earns you a merit badge or the right to put on "big boy pants". Only knowledge does that.

Well folks, my Great Britain sojourn is now in the rearview mirror. I ate genuine Scottish haggis, drank fine single malt scotch whisky (It loses the 'e' over the Atlantic.), and got INSIDE the Royal & Ancient Golf Club clubhouse in St. Andrews, gazed upon the Claret Jug with mine own eyes, touched Jack Nicklaus' locker, and walked the first, second, 17th and 18th holes of the Old Course. My lady friend had torn a ligament in her knee the day before we left, so going out to the turnaround was out of the question. I got down into the famous Road Hole bunker and imagined myself hitting out, and duly raked it smooth of my footprints as a proper gentleman should. I found the spot Tom Watson bounced his ball off the Road Hole wall and onto the green close enough for a routine par. We toured the Old Course Hotel shops and had a wee dram by the fire there. It. Was. Cold. No rain, and brilliant blue skies, though.
We toured the Royal Mint in South Wales, and one day I'll return for the longer Wednesday deluxe tour. I passed out BU 2019 Kennedy halves to the workers at the Royal Mint we encountered and a few random young people present. I was wearing my American Numismatic Association National Volunteer blue golf shirt. We drove from Liverpool to Blackpool and farther up the coast, and we not only stopped at Chards in Blackpool. The ladies there look as good as they sound.  I snagged the 2019 two volume Spinks catalog there and even sprung for a massively nice raw 1935 George V Crown. I see it as a MS64-65. We'll see. I grabbed elongates everywhere I saw a machine. Edinburgh was a big one for those.
We attended the Bloomsbury Coin Fair in London on Saturday past, and for a small show by American standards, the material ran the gamut from "book stock" to medieval rarities. I even saw some American semi-key coins offered. I saw that "other" top-ish TPGS, but I could not see NGC. I wonder what happened. I was able to augment my "shillings by Spink number" and "half crowns that wow me" sets by several pieces each. The rather mundane selection of green box and maroon box Festival of Britain 1951 crowns was topped by a PL that looks cameo to me. I now own it. Speaking of cameos, I went to London and brought home a 1967 U.S. Special Mint Set with a fully cameo half, dime, and cent. Bingo! The half may make UC. A really nice wartime Swiss franc rounded out my purchases... except for one thing.
I nabbed a 1902 Matte Proof Maundy set, and the Beatles aren't the ONLY "Fab Four". Beautiful original toning in cobalt and sepia (Hey, I should write auction listings!).
I am going back, as soon as I get caught up with life here.

Well folks, my Great Britain sojourn is now in the rearview mirror. I ate genuine Scottish haggis, drank fine single malt scotch whisky (It loses the 'e' over the Atlantic.), and got INSIDE the Royal & Ancient Golf Club clubhouse in St. Andrews, gazed upon the Claret Jug with mine own eyes, touched Jack Nicklaus' locker, and walked the first, second, 17th and 18th holes of the Old Course. My lady friend had torn a ligament in her knee the day before we left, so going out to the turnaround was out of the question. I got down into the famous Road Hole bunker and imagined myself hitting out, and duly raked it smooth of my footprints as a proper gentleman should. I found the spot Tom Watson bounced his ball off the Road Hole wall and onto the green close enough for a routine par. We toured the Old Course Hotel shops and had a wee dram by the fire there. It. Was. Cold. No rain, and brilliant blue skies, though.
We toured the Royal Mint in South Wales, and one day I'll return for the longer Wednesday deluxe tour. I passed out BU 2019 Kennedy halves to the workers at the Royal Mint we encountered and a few random young people present. I was wearing my American Numismatic Association National Volunteer blue golf shirt. We drove from Liverpool to Blackpool and farther up the coast, and we not only stopped at Chards in Blackpool. The ladies there look as good as they sound.  I snagged the 2019 two volume Spinks catalog there and even sprung for a massively nice raw 1935 George V Crown. I see it as a MS64-65. We'll see. I grabbed elongates everywhere I saw a machine. Edinburgh was a big one for those.
We attended the Bloomsbury Coin Fair in London on Saturday past, and for a small show by American standards, the material ran the gamut from "book stock" to medieval rarities. I even saw some American semi-key coins offered. I saw that "other" top-ish TPGS, but I could not see NGC. I wonder what happened. I was able to augment my "shillings by Spink number" and "half crowns that wow me" sets by several pieces each. The rather mundane selection of green box and maroon box Festival of Britain 1951 crowns was topped by a PL that looks cameo to me. I now own it. Speaking of cameos, I went to London and brought home a 1967 U.S. Special Mint Set with a fully cameo half, dime, and cent. Bingo! The half may make UC. A really nice wartime Swiss franc rounded out my purchases... except for one thing.
I nabbed a 1902 Matte Proof Maundy set, and the Beatles aren't the ONLY "Fab Four". Beautiful original toning in cobalt and sepia (Hey, I should write auction listings!).
I am going back, as soon as I get caught up with life here.

Well folks, my Great Britain sojourn is now in the rearview mirror. I ate genuine Scottish haggis, drank fine single malt scotch whisky (It loses the 'e' over the Atlantic.), and got INSIDE the Royal & Ancient Golf Club clubhouse in St. Andrews, gazed upon the Claret Jug with mine own eyes, touched Jack Nicklaus' locker, and walked the first, second, 17th and 18th holes of the Old Course. My lady friend had torn a ligament in her knee the day before we left, so going out to the turnaround was out of the question. I got down into the famous Road Hole bunker and imagined myself hitting out, and duly raked it smooth of my footprints as a proper gentleman should. I found the spot Tom Watson bounced his ball off the Road Hole wall and onto the green close enough for a routine par. We toured the Old Course Hotel shops and had a wee dram by the fire there. It. Was. Cold. No rain, and brilliant blue skies, though.
We toured the Royal Mint in South Wales, and one day I'll return for the longer Wednesday deluxe tour. I passed out BU 2019 Kennedy halves to the workers at the Royal Mint we encountered and a few random young people present. I was wearing my American Numismatic Association National Volunteer blue golf shirt. We drove from Liverpool to Blackpool and farther up the coast, and we not only stopped at Chards in Blackpool. The ladies there look as good as they sound.  I snagged the 2019 two volume Spinks catalog there and even sprung for a massively nice raw 1935 George V Crown. I see it as a MS64-65. We'll see. I grabbed elongates everywhere I saw a machine. Edinburgh was a big one for those.
We attended the Bloomsbury Coin Fair in London on Saturday past, and for a small show by American standards, the material ran the gamut from "book stock" to medieval rarities. I even saw some American semi-key coins offered. I saw that "other" top-ish TPGS, but I could not see NGC. I wonder what happened. I was able to augment my "shillings by Spink number" and "half crowns that wow me" sets by several pieces each. The rather mundane selection of green box and maroon box Festival of Britain 1951 crowns was topped by a PL that looks cameo to me. I now own it. Speaking of cameos, I went to London and brought home a 1967 U.S. Special Mint Set with a fully cameo half, dime, and cent. Bingo! The half may make UC. A really nice wartime Swiss franc rounded out my purchases... except for one thing.
I nabbed a 1902 Matte Proof Maundy set, and the Beatles aren't the ONLY "Fab Four". Beautiful original toning in cobalt and sepia (Hey, I should write auction listings!).
I am going back, as soon as I get caught up with life here.

"Why did it have to be" Facebook?

Okay, okay, this story about Mormons and counterfeiting is neither baseless (there is literature on it) nor is it conclusive (there are exculpatory explanations). But to not be aware of it is a little intellectually lazy in my opinion at least for those curious about numismatic lore. It all goes back to the time around the California gold rush and the stories are highly controversial and lacking in documented truth. Those who have read and take literally the charges made in a book called One Nation Under Gods claim that government records indicate that Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Parley Pratt, and Orson Hyde were involved in making counterfeit coins, and that this may have "started under Joseph's leadership". There was an indictment that never ended in a trial because the defendants, depending on your view, either fled or simply continued their pilgrimage.
 
Sometimes things become "common knowledge" and get assimilated into one's knowledge base without being able to cite authorities. These "link please" retorts are really really childish, to my way of thinking. Some people "just know stuff". Just because YOU don't know doesn't obligate the teller of that story to provide you a source link. Try researching it yourself maybe? Do I believe the story? No, it is badly lacking in specifics and detail, and criminal charges need to be proven to the highest standards of proof. Do you believe other famous numismatic icons were child molesters? This field is full of nasty stories, some more proven than others.
 
Near as I can see here, "from there" looks like China, to me.
 

Really nice pictures, by the way.

Really nice pictures, by the way.

Any particular topics? I ask because I urge all new collectors other than world coin collectors to get the so-called "Red Book".

So from exactly WHAT in all that is anything that indicates any were just "found" among ordinary 1964's?? It doesn't! All these came from sets that can be traced back to the then mint director Eva Adams (surprise, surprise - yet another Mint Director making special stuff for themselves). It says some in those sets were NOT SMS coins, NOT that some SMS coins came from somewhere other than the sets. Think! The converse is not true!
 
Look at the unbelievably strong "E PLURIBUS UNUM" and the extremely strong detail on the olive branches and arrows on the SMS coins. Then look at yours. What about this is so difficult for some people?????

Welcome to the forum-
Not a uniface.
Looks to me like someone has started to make a love token and only got it partially finished.

I've often said that the "classic" method of error/variety collecting bears little resemblance to the more modern way that subspecialty is being practiced, and whether the new way works out or not financially depends on how much "demand" for them that can be stirred up.

If you search out old solid date rolls of coins, having the right to do bulk submissions of them, with a minimum grade for slabbing, sounds intriguing to me for when I retire. Bulk submissions is only at Elite.

As to the OP's original question, please be careful not to "transfer" thinking of varieties of one coin date and mintmark to another of the same year. They often are not the same, and this is a key example. All the Type 1, Type 2, and Type 3 stuff is about one coin - the 1972 Philly circulation version. No Denver, no San Francisco, no other year. 
 
Now there is another variety gaining traction - the 1971-D circulation Ike with a "Friendly Eagle" reverse. I call it the "Happy Ending Eagle" just to ruffle people's, umm, feathers. 

These tend to be offered only for coins purchased onsite at their shows. Same for Baltimore Whitman, I think.

For many, but not all, new collectors, pricing out the "all in" costs of getting coins slabbed results in a measure of "sticker shock". It's not very cheap. Most of the key people at TPGS firms drive really nice cars and live in nice houses. Jus' sayin'.

I am pretty sure www.cointelevision.com has the talk on DVD. Or if you're an ANA member, they will lend it to you from their library.

Too many popular culture references for my tastes.

You would think so, but this hobby loves to deify its "experts". It really is a hobby that reeks of a "cult of personalities". If the right expert or two suggests that everything we've been doing for decades is wrong (like valuing blast white coins), the hobby follows them over the cliff lemming-like. Seeing the prices paid for some toned modern golden dollar coins makes me both laugh and want to cry.