gmarguli

Have you ridden this without a helmet and fallen off and hit your head? I'm just asking because that would explain a lot.

I didn't submit mine. I sold them both and never even opened the box they came in. Based on how the TPG are grading modern mint products, I'd expect the 69 grade to be far more rare than 70.

It sounds like he thought it would upgrade and when it didn't, PCGS turned out to be the devil. I wonder if this is the only coin he submitted to PCGS and the rest were in his head???

NGC says MS63 and it's OK. PCGS says MS63 and they are the devil and cheaters because they said MS63. I knew we were missing a big part of the story, but this plot twist is something I'd expect in a low budget horror movie. I also suspect it will not make the $1000 reserve at GC.

I'm torn between and screaming "still no proof posted".

Since we all now know (thanks NevadaS&G) that the TPG randomly pull grades out of the air in order to steal our money, I though perhaps people might like to share their most "I want to bash my head against the wall" TPG result. I've had many, but one of my most memorable would likely be the time I cut a very gem Washington quarter from a 1970's mint set. PCGS proudly assigned it the grade of AU58.

Cut the BS. Give us a list of the coins you submitted to PCGS along with their (should be) sequential cert numbers so we can look up their grades. Give us the NGC invoice number so we can look up the grades when done. After this, we can discuss whether of not you were screwed.

Or anything to back up what you've been saying...

I've seen a lot of classic commems with this type toning, but usually taken a few steps further. While I agree AT, I think the coin is very appealing.

Very lousy pictures to grade from. The obverse picture is so bright that it could easily be hiding a ton of marks. The discoloration on the neck (and ribbon on same horizontal line from it) are chips in the die that gave this coin a raised area. I suspect the mark behind the neck is die polish which is common to run 12:00 to 6:00 on these coins. Based on what I can see, I'd guess PCGS graded it MS66.

Turnaround times are not guaranteed. They are estimates. FYI, last time an Express too around a month (on a very common coin) I complained and they gave me a free Express submissions. And BTW, after taking a month they undergraded the coin by a point in my opinion (and the opinion of NGC after I sent it to them).

Rookie.

I'm sure PCGS has a preferred Collection Agency to send your debt to if they should lose the chargeback. And seriously, you're whining about $500 in grading fees.

It's been over 30 years, but I still remember this vividly. I'm at a coin shop bid board (remember those?) and a guy is showing a bunch of us his newly purchased Morgan dollar. It's a common date CC and it is the most mark free Morgan I'd have ever seen at the time. It compared well to the few MS67 that were out there. No hairlines or bag marks, just the occasional light ding disturbing the surfaces. Just superb marks wise. It was 100% white with a decent strike. He asked us what we thought it would grade. He boasted easily MS67, maybe MS68. Most of the people said MS65-MS67. I called it MS63 and he was insulted and knocked my grading abilities because I was young and didn't have the decades collecting like he did. A couple months later he brought the coin in to the shop in a PCGS slab. Grade was covered. He did the guess the grade thing again and got the similar responses. He pulled the sticker off the slab to reveal the grade on the most mark free CC Morgan I've ever seen. I was wrong when I called it MS63. PCGS graded it MS62. He was upset and asked us collectively how PCGS could call it MS62 when it was so mark free. I smugly pointed out to him that while the coin was mark free, the luster was completely dead. It had been way over-dipped to the point that the acid had killed the luster. Someone else then chimed in "you can still see the faint fingerprint they were probably trying to dip off". Moral of the story: Bag marks aren't everything. Weak graders focus way too much on marks and ignore other things like luster, placement of the marks, and totality of the marks (size, frequency, and location of the marks). Follow-up: He resubmitted it and got MS62 again. He later sold it on another bid board I frequented as "MS70" where it brought generic unc money.

I do know him. Awesome guy. Devilishly handsome.

If your secret for crossing coins results in you losing 2-4 grade points, please keep that secret to yourself. The odds of a coin downgrading 2-4 points between PCGS/NGC is extremely slim. They grade too similarly for that to happen. You have to be buying garbage TPG slabs. And, as hard as it may be for you to accept, you're probably just not that good at grading. Too few collectors will admit that they are at best, just average at grading and they can't split the hairs between most grades.

How do you know the reverse die was rotated and not the obverse die?

This person sounds very wise.

I prefer to call them "woke douchbags". They are the champions of free speech, as long as your speech agrees with their point of view. They are enlightened people versed in all subjects and they can prove this by mentioning they have an Art History degree from a big name school (and $200K in student loans and zero real world experience). The only thing they hate more than intolerance is people who have differing views and they want to crush them for these differing views. They believe that people don't pay enough in taxes, well other people. They believe in equality, as long as they get to decide who is more equal than others. They are your Starbucks Barrista...

Yes. In fact, I have been told several times by Europeans that the reason they don't like slabs is that they like to touch the coins. Of course, these same people slab their coins when going to sell them.

2+ years and don't recall hearing anything since. Quite possibly a sunk cost.

The cost of creating the AI technology would be massive. The cost of the bulk/modern graders is small. No bulk grader is going to be buying a penthouse and driving a Ferrari. They just don't make a lot of money. How much can they pay these graders when they're charging $5-$7 a coin for grading? What the (potential) new owners will do with the company remains to be seen. I doubt massive changes at PCGS. CU had very solid profit margins. Their profit growth outpaced their revenue growth over the past couple years. This was probably helped by their cutting a few high salary people including one giant dead weight and one clueless fool. PCGS has been very good at nickel & diming its customers. I'm sure the new owners will find a few more ways. It wouldn't surprise me if they sold off some things like the Long Beach Show and CoinFacts.

I think I wouldn't be boasting about lying to a person to cheat them out of a coin, even if it were only worth a couple of dollars.

Fairly flat financial numbers, but stock price triples in the last 6 months and now being taken private for only a couple dollars above close.

He's trying to say that because some organization approved of some tokens, they are now magically coins. General Winfield Scott led his forces from Vera Cruz to Mexico City at the Battle of Chapultepec. This battle is often called "the Halls of Montezuma" which is part of the first line of the US Marines official "Marine's Hymn." This cannot be ignored.