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Still cannot obtain a Patina catalog - you would think Spinks would have uploaded it by now  

Thank you coinsbygary for the link and lovely pics. I did notice some information in the archives covering the three graces. There is so much missing information covering the Patina pieces but this could be a good forum to commence a compilation of pictures et al. 

Went to look for a copy of the Patina catalog on Spink web site and it is out of stock. It has been like that for perhaps 2 years or more. Any person have a spare copy or can send a photo copy? 

Coppered.gold. 

Richard Lobel issued coinage around early 1980's. FM43B AE, gilt. 

The above image you are showing is fairly common in copper and nickel and slightly more challenging to collect the AE gilt that you may have as shown. If it is gold you can do a test or weigh the coin. 

Hi Just Bob

Not had chance to get around the re-submission of the 'fake' 60% silver medal. Why would any fraudster attempt to make a medal with 60% silver? Why not just laminate it with silver....anyway will need to work on closure for this medal at some point in time.

Did receive the gold crown - much to my relief!

XRF scan indicates  around 90% silver...was a bit tricky getting the reading when the coin is encapsulated!

Have asked for an xrf scan of the coin in the capsule.

Most of the medals struck around 1936/7 of Edward VIII kept with the nostalgic theme of the era. Each Minter however, gave variety to the design in their own way. Some medals struck then are not listed in any of the known catalogs (BHM / Portraits of a Prince) which makes collecting Edward VIII medals/ tokens/ coinage all that more exciting.

MIKE BYRNE

I recall that Edward VIII did not want to follow tradition and chose the opposite face effigy. Almost all St George and Dragon depictions face towards to right. Pobjoy keep record of all items they made. Geoffrey Hearn would be one of the first reproduced medals of Edward VIII. Some of the rare medals when Edward was Prince of Wales I am still attempting to obtain

Hi Guest. I can say that there was a mintage of a thousand of the silver made by Pinches and Co actually in 1937. The medal is 35mm in size. Information obtained from the Portraits of a Prince, J. Giordano. Some previous sales was with Stack's lot 2026 and Baldwins lot 747, Sept 2008. Furthermore Pinches also made gold  (100 pieces) at 22ct, bronze (3000 pieces).

I have not xrf'd the silver piece but I could comment and say it appears less than 9.25...probably about 80% silver. I will get back with an actual silver content soon.

Second that was submitted for Restoration came back graded MS63. Nice and I expected MS62 so also a bit of a win there.

Finally the results are out for the above two submitted medals. First medal graded higher than what I expected which is always nice

Update on the two Edward VIII medals sent for grading (as above):

2827920001 seems to be almost completed (grading/ Quality Control). For the 2nd  medal, I am assuming that the residue has been removed and will now undergo grading by NGC...

Awaiting the results of a lovely silver Edward VIII medal:

Then had to resubmit a Pobjoy mint Edward VIII that came back with suggestions by NGC to have it submitted for conservation rehab...why would they not just send it direct there as they have done so with numerous other coins? Anyway the coin has been sent back and also undergoing grading:

NEXT WONDERFUL MEDAL RECEIVED. The medal is actually Matt Silver but the photos came out brownish colour ?! Made by Pinches. Will send for grading next week.

MK123 - this is the same kind of medal however the original one sent through had a weight variation and I have submitted the additional paperwork through to them so fingers crossed on that

and the results are in from NGC:

Thanks MK123 and Just Bob for the comments. As long as it does not grade details I will accept any grade! Yes - I would say 203 qualifies for a low mintage classification. Hard to obtain one of these medals. I was fortunate to acquire this medal in such prestige condition. The owner obviously took great care in maintaining its quality. Lets see if NGC also recognize the prestige medal in terms of a good grade.

I am eagerly waiting for the Edward VIII Austria medal of which only 203 were minted....The oversize medal came in a maroon case and I eventually decided to send it to NGC for a grade:

Lets hope it get a grade!

Interesting submission MK123

Thanks MK123 - I will post in the Ask NGC/ NCS section. Matt from NGC answered my request to have a South Africa Silver Rand variety recognized by NGC to which he promptly action-ed and the NGC Graders have now approved the variety designation. I just need to get the items together re pics and the NGC submission numbers. Thank you for the reply MK123

Thanks MK123 for the advice. I have always been somewhat hesitant in phoning NGC (or even PCGS ) on such matters -  maybe they are able to explain as to why the 'not genuine' designation.

In the interim, I have done a research on the medal in question and it appears that several trial pieces had come about back then but not much documentation is known on the subject.

I would tend to think this is a trial piece.

*May I ask if you have experience in contacting NGC for a similar type issue / concern and how was it handled by them? Just curious as to how their approach is in dealing with a 'not genuine' designation.

I am probably straying of the topic somewhat but back in 2015, I had two gold German coins that came back with 'Authenticity questionable'  and had never actually found out why. They weighed the correct weight, I found no fault with their effigies. The condition was immaculate - perhaps to good to be true. The coins come from a deceased estate of a known collector who had wrapped these coins up in cloth and kept in a box for the last 85 years. They were purchased in around 1962. I doubt they are forgeries.

I did contemplate sending these two German gold coins to a known German Collector for a review but if contacting NGC is probably a faster and better method and NGC can advice me further what to do to prove the medal is genuine then I should do that.

Are you able to comment on * sir?

A submitted Edward VIII medal came back from NGC as 'not genuine'. The Seller who I bought it from assures me it is and that NGC can incorrectly examine coins / medals.

I would find it hard to image that the above medal would be a counterfeit as there are non reported as such. The 'not genuine' I understand is that the medal diameter is larger -  I wonder if  perhaps, due to a lack of written information on this unique piece, that it is indeed a trial/ pattern and that NGC may have mistakenly 'error-ed' on the grading?

Should I resubmit to NGC and add the 'review' fee?

Although I have sent in several other Edward VIII medals, the silvered  BHM-4286 is the top pop. This is the best condition I could find of this medal. It has taken a while to find one and then have it graded however, I am pleased it did grade MS63.  

1937 G.BRIT BHM-4278 EDWARD VIII ABDICATION SILVER - hard to imagine this rare coin graded however its pleasing that it did. I hope to find a better quality medal of this kind in the future....

1937-DATED G.BRITAIN FM-17a SILVER 1972 POBJOY ISSUE CROWN. Did not think it would grade due to a some small scratches but it did and that is most pleasing!