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Those grades are requested by the submitter because they get a cheaper price on the grading over having NGC place a numerical grade. It doesn't mean that the coin(s) are cleaned or would otherwise receive a details grade, however, it also doesn't mean that they might not have received a details grade if a numerical grade had been requested by the original submitter. It also is not an indication of any grade, although often coins that are submitted in this manner would receive low MS grades (60-62). That can only be determined on a coin by coin basis.

Run at top speed away from them is my recommendation. There is likely no color at all on either of the two coins shown here, this seller uses several different lights and light positions along with some extreme post processing to achieve this look. Joe (crazy hounddog) attempted to recreate this look on a thread about this seller on the PCGS forum, he got close but had to really work at it.

I did stop by the table of Sullivan Numismatics today and showed him the photos. He was not very helpful and would not comment other than to say he would have to see it in hand but indicated that he was doubtful of it being an authentic double or triple struck coin. My gut feel is this was restruck from counterfeit dies and is not a true error from the mint, however, I want to say that all we have to go from are the photos and I think an inhand review would be required before any determination can be made. @Robs1981 My suggestion is that you hold onto the coin and perhaps make direct contact with one of the mint error dealers and see about having the coin examined in person. That may require you to send the coin to a dealer or perhaps if you can attend a coin show where one of those dealers is attending.

Both the MAC and Slight White firms were in attendance at the 2023 ANA Money show in Phoenix this week. I got a kick out of viewing the coins in the cases of both tables.

The last ANA show in Phx was over two decades ago. I actually think it may have been pre 2000.

This seller is well known for manipulating his images. I have not met anyone that got anything even close to what they thought they would.

I arrived at 9:30 after a 30min drive from my house to downtown. Went straight in as ANA members are granted entry before the 10am opening. First stop was the NGC table to drop off a submission, no line that early and I already had my forms all filled out. As they were on the far right of the room I began to move up and down each aisle. Today was about scoping out the room and looking for two coins on my certified want list. I did find a couple examples of one on my list, but only one close to my optimal grade and it was very optimistically priced. Was unable to find even one example of the other coin. The floor is well layed out with lots of room and while there were lots of collectors in attendance I never felt like folks were crawling over me at any table. I would say the room was busy but not buzzing. As with other show reports I have read here I saw a few younger folks buying and selling some very serious coins. I sold the three coins I took with me for my asking prices, very pleased with that. So what did I buy, well not much today as a struck out with my want list coins. But I did buy two raw coins for some album projects, and two rolls of Lincolns. Haven't looked through the rolls but the top coin in the 74-D roll looks super nice. There is one coin I saw today that I'm interested in, is a lower priority on my want list but I may scoop that up tomorrow. I asked every dealer that I engaged and all but one said the show was going very well and seemed pleased. Sorry Rick I did not see really any bullion stuff, the crowd seemed more focused on collector coins. Some quick cell pics of my modest pickups from today.

I will be at the ANA show again tomorrow, Sulivan Numismatics is at this show and is a specialist in error coins. If they are still at the show tomorrow I will show them your photos and see if they have any insight. Some parts look like a vice job and others look legit.

MAC stickers are a joke (imo) and are completely meaningless to me. CAC on the other hand caries weight and has meaning both to myself and to the coin marketplace as a whole. At the end of the day it is up to each collector to decide what, if any, value the opinion behind the sticker is worth to them.

That message is what you get if you are in your inventory, you need to be in the competitive set and click the + in the green circle on the right side of the screen for the individual coin you want to remove from the set, you will get this: When you hover over the green checkmark it will turn into a red trashcan if you click the trashcan you will get this: Once you click on this set or all it will be removed from the set(s) but not your inventory.

@John Lengyel soak them in acetone, it could just be glue residue. Coins are often used as promotional items and glued to various cardboard items. The acetone will not hurt the coin at all and if it is glue residue that will lift off or become pliable and you can peel it off.

Valuing details graded coins is all over the map, it really depends on the nature of the damage, the severity, and the desirability of the coin. The best way to value these coins is to look at recent auction data, Heritage, Ebay, Great Collections, all of these can be of help. You just have to put in the time to search the archives for the same coin and hopefully find one with similar issues, not an exact science but really the only way to do it.

Thats what I get for thinking with my head instead of going with my gut!

Not unless you enjoy throwing away money, are you under the impression that your coin is an error coin? It is not.

The new system you access from the NGC home page, the old system you can only access from www.collectors-society.com. My guess is you were on the new system, I still use the old system mostly as it allows for much more information about each coin to be input vs the new system.

Did you use the new or old system to remove it from the set? In the new system you can click the + sign on the right side of the screen to add or delete a coin from a set. However, I have never needed to remove a coin unless I sold it so have not run into this issue, I usually just use the old system to mark the coin as sold and it will be automatically removed from any sets and placed into the sold inventory status.

"Clean and Shinny" means nothing, especially with modern coins, grading is all about the surface preservation quality of strike, and eye appeal. That is something that you learn over many years not something I can tell you in a few short sentences. You have to do the work to learn, go to shows and look at hundreds and hundreds of coins of varying grades to get a feel for what the TPG's are looking for. Taking a grading class from the ANA is another great way to learn how to distinguish between "shinny" and true luster. And even then you can still be surprised now and then, my last two submissions to NGC were good overall but I still whiffed on one coin. Grading is not a science but more an art form that evolves over time.

What you see on your coin is not an error, just poor quality control. If it interests you keep it, but it would never be graded as anything but a circulated Lincoln cent worth exactly $.01, personally I would spend it.

There are no significant varieties for this date that I know of, I did consider that it could be a proof due to the overall sharpness of the strike. But the rims do not look broad enough and the surfaces do not seem to look like a matte proof, perhaps the toning is disguising the surface and the holder insert is covering some of the rim?

The main reason you see modern proofs graded is for registry buyers who want the PF70 coins for their sets which allows the sellers to maximize their profit. If you do not need the coin for a registry set, or want to sell and hope to max out the selling price, then there is no reason at all to take the risk of damaging the coin. As a side note, you can send the coin into the TPG's in the government packaging Kointaine and the TPG's will remove it there. This does not negate the possibility of contaminates or hairlines, but it does help protect the coin better during shipping to the TPG. There is a small extra fee if you want the original packaging returned to you with the graded coin.

Welcome to the forum, the answer is yes and no. What it means is that the details of the coin are at the good level, could be either G04 or G06, but the coin has issues like porosity or damage that prevents it from receiving a straight grade. It is really up to the buyer to determine if the details support the G04 or G06 level.

My suggestion, lose the microscope and it will be easier to know if you find something interesting. All that is needed is a 7X loupe, if more magnification is needed it is not something of value, just something that will have you chasing shadows.

Agreed, just some mechanical or strike doubling, this is very common and while sometimes very dramatic and interesting it is worthless.

I am torn between AU64 and MS64, lol, there are signs of stacking friction on the cheek, jaw, and coat, but my guess is ANACS called it MS64RB, maybe 63 if the rev luster is low as the photo implies. Hammered rev strike as often seen on this year, I think that in today's grading room it would go 64 or better, just depends on if those obv areas are seen as rub or the slightest bit of incomplete strike, and the rev luster.