Just Bob

Do you mind if I ask which tpg certified the two circulated dollars, and what the grades were?

So the only additional cost would be shipping?

Excuse my ignorance, but I have no idea how this works. Do you take physical possession of the currency, or is it done electronically?

"Re-worked 3" may be a more accurate description. The center of the digit appears to have been strengthened, and the entire digit is misshapen.

Maybe I am just too cynical, but this thread seems like one of those we get every now and then in which the person has some coins that he knows are fake, but thinks he might try to con someone into buying them. So, he goes to a coin chat board, hoping to find some greedy soul who wants to take advantage of a newbie who has a rare coin. He posts some hard to see pictures, makes up some emotion-based story about a deceased relative (or in this case, a wedding), and feigns total ignorance about what he has or how much it is worth. Then he hints, or states outright, that he would be interested in selling them, hoping that someone will think that they can make a quick score at his expense. What these goobers don't seem to realize is that the members of this board actually know a little something about coins. When they point out that the coins are actually fake, the poster beats a hasty retreat, never to return. This particular poster has not logged back in since right after the two responses above were posted. That tells me that he did not get the response he was hoping for, and decided he had better try somewhere else. I have seen this many times on this chat board, and will likely see it many more. My two cents.

Much nicer close-up pictures than the majority of what we see here. Well done! The overall mushiness of the design, the appearance of the coin in general, and the difference in weight put me in the "replica/fake" camp. Just my non-expert opinion. I think that, if the coin were mine, I would try to find a local dealer who knows these coins, or look for a larger coin show nearby, and have several dealers take a look.

O-108 is obverse die 7 paired with reverse die B. O-106 is obverse die 5 with reverse die F. So, no, they are not the same die.

I believe the 1823 shown above is O-108a.

There are replicas known that are listed on Numista. Here is a link to one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/exonumia55222.html

Sign of the times, My Brother. But, you are right. Spelling a coin's name properly should not be negotiable.

This Not only is number nine incorrect, there are also errors and misleading statements in some of the other points. For example, there are Chinese counterfeiters who are using presses that are more advanced than the ones that minted genuine trade dollars, and are capable of exerting more than enough pressure to bring up the details accurately. At one time, trade dollar counterfeits were almost laughable. Now they are frighteningly good.

You have mentioned, on more than one occasion, the possibility of you getting banned. Posting your coins will never get you banned, but making comments that offend people will. Keep in mind that there are all types of people who read this forum, including ladies and children. An overabundance of comments like the ones below will almost certainly cause problems for you - either in the form of a suspension, or outright banning. Just a heads up. (I personally like your coins. Your humor sometimes goes over my head, but that is just me.) Remember what you said here:

Unless they have started offering these in the last few months and I missed the announcement, this is just an option offered to bulk submitters, and not to the regular submitters. Read the fine print on the page linked above.

For the benefit of future readers of this thread: There are actually two recognized obverse types, and two reverse types. The type one and two obverses can be distinguished by the fingers of the extended hand, and the end of the ribbon. The reverse types are distinguished by the arrow end and berry, as is stated above. The two obverses were used with both reverses during different years, until 1877, as Sandon stated in his above post. The different styles and years they were used can be seen on This page

Am I seeing this wrong, or is that not a type one obverse? The end of the LIBERTY ribbon appears to be pointing to the left, but it may just be the way the picture looks.

That looks like a good addition to your library. Question: did the British strike patterns for gold coins in off-metals they way the US mint did/does?

The Indian is facing the wrong way.

True. I should have given at least a simple definition. Rather than hijack this thread, I will start another one on the subject, if you or others would like to continue the discussion.

Lots of great pics, but what really caught my eye was the picture of the Ingle Systems token dispensers. Very cool!

Do either of you gentlemen differentiate between artificial toning, accelerated natural toning, and "assisted" toning?

Welcome to the forum. Judging from your pictures, everything that you have circled is damage, most likely from contact with other coins in the mint box or bag. Even the things that look similar to letters are just contact marks that happen to resemble something with which your brain is familiar. Like finding shapes in the clouds.

That's a good point, and an important one to remember. Years ago, cleaning was the norm. Remember the Saltus cyanide incident? That was in 1922. 100 years is plenty of time for a coin to re-tone naturally

"Matte" is a finish, not a color. It describes a surface without shine or reflection, and can be any color, or no color at all.

I found this for sale by someone who is selling some of Breen's personal catalogs and other effects. The manuscript is 7 pages, and included a few very interesting charts (pic attached). Also included was a copy of an article by Mr. Lange that was printed in Coin World, with notes (Breen's?) in the margin.

The current population of NGC graded proof 69UC coins is 633 for the clad, and 1417 for the silver. Looks like a simple supply and demand issue to me. Welcome to the forum