Henri Charriere Posted Thursday at 01:50 AM Share Posted Thursday at 01:50 AM A BRAIN TEASER OF SORTS... They say the smart folks are not the ones who know a lot. They're just smart enough to know where to look for the answers they seek. How about you? Proof-collecting can't be that hard, right? Years ago, circa 1960's, you sent the Mint $2.10, and voila, months later a Proof Set appeared in your mailbox? How hard could that possibly be using regular mails? Fast-forward to 1995. You had heard or read somewhere that the Mint would be producing Proof coins. Proof silver bullion dollars to be exact. THREE SIMPLE QUESTIONS... Ready? 1. How many 1995 Proof American Siver Eagle coins were produced in 1995, and where (in what Mint facility)? 2. How much did ONE cost, then? 3. How much does ONE cost, today? Pretty simple right? Wanna cheat? Be my guest. (This Topic was prompted by the work now in progress by the member I call Lackewanna and Sandon, elsewhere on this Forum.) *** No further questions! I'll check back to see what happened by tomorrow nite, latest. GIANT BONUS: ANYONE WHO ANSWERS ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS WITH A SINGLE, ONE-WORD REPLY, THREE TOTAL, FIRST, WINS! Think you know it all? Prove it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powermad5000 Posted Thursday at 02:35 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:35 AM I'll always admit I don't know it all, and I don't know the answers to any three of these questions as I am not a fan of collecting ASE's and I stopped collecting them when the labels in the slabs got out of hand so to speak and it turned into a marketing gimmick. Henri Charriere and JT2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted Thursday at 10:02 AM Author Share Posted Thursday at 10:02 AM (edited) Q.A.: YOU KNOW RICKY, "I DON'T KNOW" IS NOT AN OPTION, AND THIS GUY IS BEGINNING TO MAKE ME THINK HIS USER NAME IS A PLOY TO INTIMIDATE PEOPLE. I, THE ONE AND ONLY HENRI CHARRIERE, HUMBLED MYSELF AND SAID BY ALL MEANS CHEAT IF YOU WISH, AND STILL THIS GUY SHIRKED HIS RESPONSIBILITY AND BEGGED OFF! WHAT DO I DO NOW? 🐓 : IF I KNEW, DO YOU THINK I WOULD CHOOSE TO BE A FOWL? ALRIGHT... LET'S SEE WHAT THE OTHERS COME UP WITH... Edited Thursday at 10:31 PM by Henri Charriere Delete one letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT2 Posted Thursday at 11:21 AM Share Posted Thursday at 11:21 AM well i am not an expert but i do have a few SO in 1995 they produced 2 different Proof ASE's. One at the Philly mint which ran about i would say on a good day around 1/2 million. the second which was minted in the West point mint i think they say around 30,000 ish. So as to the packaging the former could be purchased straight from the mint for around $20 bucks. the later which could only be acquired through the purchase of the gold set i think sold for around $2900. So well today you can pick up the Philly proof in OGP for around $75. where as the W minted could run you upwards of $3500 - $4000 depending on the mood of the seller Well i couldn't answer with one word but at least i didnt cheat !! Henri Charriere and powermad5000 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie15 Posted Thursday at 11:59 AM Share Posted Thursday at 11:59 AM They make proof bullion rounds? Why would you want one of those? Well, if it moves men will race it. If it exists men will collect it. I just was never into these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted Thursday at 10:53 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 10:53 PM (edited) @JT2 : Right off the top, in the 3rd UNNUMBERED PARAGRAPH, I EXPLICITLY SAID: "PROOF SILVER BULLION DOLLARS," TO BE EXACT. THE NUMBER IS CLOSE ENOUGH: 30K+ HERE'S WHERE IT GETS TRICKY... THE MUCH SOUGHT AFTER SILVER PIECE COULD ONLY BE ACQUIRED IF ONE BOUGHT THE GOLD SET WHICH WENT FOR $999. (SHREWD BUSINESSMAN, KURT, GOT THE SET SOLD THE GOLD TO THE FOUR WINDS AND SUBSEQUENTLY SOLD THE RARE "ASE" FOR THOUSANDS.) THE PHILLY SET IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE AND NO ONE, NOT EVEN CHARMY HARKER COULD PICK UP THE GOLD SET FOR THE $3500 TO $4000 YOU CITE, REGARDLESS OF THE SELLER'S MOOD. GOLD BULLION PRICES DICTATE THE BOTTOM LINE. INCIDENTALLY, THAT '95-W WAS OFFERED BY ONE SELLER FOR $100,000, EARLY ON. I BELIEVE THE PRICES AS YOU'VE INDICATED HAVE SETTLED IN TO THE LOW THOUSANDS. AND BY ANY MEASURE, OUR GLOBE TROTTER, TO QUOTE ARCHIE BUNKER, "DONE REAL GOOD." THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE HERE, WHICH TO YOUR EVERLASTING CREDIT YOU GOT RIGHT, IS THE ANSWER CAN NOT BE REDUCED TO A FEW WORDS. TO GET THE PROOF SIVER '"ASE," YOU'D HAVE TO BUY THE ENTIRE GOLD SET. I FEEL THAT WAS UNDERHANDED, TO SAY THE LEAST, BUT FORTUNATELY FOR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, MY OPINION CARRIES NO WEIGHT. I GIVE YOU AN "E" FOR EFFORT! Edited Friday at 10:52 PM by Henri Charriere Usual die polishing for readability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RWB Posted Friday at 12:25 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:25 AM (edited) On 10/23/2024 at 9:50 PM, Henri Charriere said: Fast-forward to 1995. You had heard or read somewhere that the Mint would be producing Proof coins. Proof silver bullion dollars to be exact. THREE SIMPLE QUESTIONS... Ready? 1. How many 1995 Proof American Siver Eagle coins were produced in 1995, and where (in what Mint facility)? 2. How much did ONE cost, then? 3. How much does ONE cost, today? Pretty simple right? Wanna cheat? Be my guest. Do you mean kind of like this for proof sets, etc.? Date & Type Total Sets Sold Total Coins Total Face Value Orig. Issue Price Avg. Buy Price Avg. Sell Value 1999-S 2,557,899 9 $1.91 $19.95 $10.00 $8.00 1999-S Quarters 1,169,958 5 $1.25 $13.95 $6.00 $4.00 1999-S Silver 804,565 9 $1.91 $31.95 $120.00 $96.00 2000-S 10 coin set 3,096,981 10 $2.91 $19.95 $6.00 $4.00 2000-S Quarters 995,803 5 $1.25 $13.95 $4.00 $3.00 2000-S Silver 965,421 10 $2.91 $31.95 $48.00 $38.00 2001-S 2,300,944 10 $2.91 $19.95 $13.00 $10.00 2001-S Quarters 799,736 5 $1.25 $13.95 $7.50 $6.00 2001-S Silver 889,697 10 $2.91 $31.95 $48.00 $38.00 2002-S 2,319,766 10 $2.91 $19.95 $8.00 $6.00 2002-S Quarters 764,419 5 $1.25 $13.95 $4.00 $3.00 2002-S Silver 892,229 10 $2.91 $31.95 $47.00 $37.00 2003-S 2,172,684 10 $2.91 $19.95 $8.00 $6.00 2003-S Quarters 1,225,507 5 $1.25 $13.95 $4.00 $3.00 2003-S Silver 1,142,858 10 $2.91 $31.95 $47.00 $37.00 2004-S 1,789,488 11 $2.96 $22.95 $9.00 $7.00 2004-S Quarters 951,196 5 $1.25 $15.95 $30.00 $24.00 2004-S Silver 1,175,934 11 $2.96 $37.95 $47.00 $37.00 2004-S Silver Quarters 593,852 5 $1.25 $23.95 $31.00 $24.00 2005-S 2,260,063 11 $2.96 $22.95 $6.00 $4.00 2005-S Quarters 981,278 5 $1.25 $15.95 $35.00 $28.00 2005-S Silver 1,019,166 11 $2.96 $37.95 $48.00 $38.00 2005-S Silver Quarters 606,815 5 $1.25 $23.95 $31.00 $24.00 2005 U.S. Mint American Legacy Collection 46,057 13 $4.96 $135.00 $82.00 $65.00 2006-S 1,985,282 10 $2.91 $22.95 $10.50 $8.00 2006-S Quarters 876,796 5 $1.25 $15.95 $4.50 $3.00 2006-S Silver 1,043,546 10 $2.91 $37.95 $50.00 $40.00 2006-S Silver Quarters 528,293 5 $1.25 $23.95 $31.00 $24.00 2006 U.S. Mint American Legacy Collection 48,452 12 $4.91 $135.00 $81.00 $64.00 2007-S 1,717,972 14 $6.91 $26.95 $16.50 $13.00 2007-S Quarters 544,484 5 $1.25 $13.95 $4.50 $3.00 2007-S Silver 857,562 14 $6.91 $44.95 $53.00 $42.00 2007-S Silver Quarters 390,389 5 $1.25 $25.95 $31.00 $24.00 2007-S Presidential Dollars 882,271 4 $4.00 $14.95 $6.50 $5.00 2007 U.S. Mint American Legacy Collection 26,442 16 $8.91 $135.00 $120.00 $96.00 2008-S 1,377,242 14 $6.91 $26.95 $78.00 $62.00 2008-S Quarters 482,717 5 $1.25 $13.95 $47.00 $37.00 2008-S Silver 772,893 14 $6.91 $44.95 $63.00 $50.00 2008-S Silver Quarters 300,671 5 $1.25 $25.95 $31.00 $24.00 2008-S Presidential Dollars 693,859 4 $4.00 $14.95 $11.00 $8.00 2008 U.S. Mint American Legacy Collection 21,194 15 $6.91 $100.00 $120.00 $96.00 2009-S 1,482,502 18 $7.19 $29.95 $27.00 $21.00 2009-S Lincoln Chronicles 50,000 4 $0.04 $55.95 $135.00 $100.00 2009-S Lincoln Cent 4-coin set 203,937 4 $0.04 $7.95 $15.00 $12.00 2009-S Quarters 636,473 6 $1.50 $14.95 $10.00 $8.00 2009-S Silver 697,365 18 $7.19 $52.95 $70.00 $56.00 2009-S Silver Quarters 293,007 6 $1.50 $29.95 $38.00 $30.00 2009-S Presidential Dollars 629,585 4 $4.00 $14.95 $8.50 $6.00 Edited Friday at 12:26 AM by RWB Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted Friday at 12:49 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 12:49 AM (edited) @Moxie15 : Oh, for Chris'sake, Moxie! Surely you have heard of the ASE line! They've only been around for nearly 40 years! The '95-W was special. You couldn't get it without buying four gold coins -- all Proof. That'll be $999. thank you very much. (Rounds is a generic term which, I believe, even Dr. Carr, par excellence would never stoop to using.) Edited Friday at 09:37 PM by Henri Charriere Ko-wreck misspelling/typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted Friday at 01:01 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 01:01 AM (edited) On 10/24/2024 at 8:25 PM, RWB said: Do you mean kind of like this for proof sets, etc.? Date & Type Total Sets Sold Total Coins Total Face Value Orig. Issue Price Avg. Buy Price Avg. Sell Value 1999-S 2,557,899 9 $1.91 $19.95 $10.00 $8.00 1999-S Quarters 1,169,958 5 $1.25 $13.95 $6.00 $4.00 1999-S Silver 804,565 9 $1.91 $31.95 $120.00 $96.00 2000-S 10 coin set 3,096,981 10 $2.91 $19.95 $6.00 $4.00 2000-S Quarters 995,803 5 $1.25 $13.95 $4.00 $3.00 2000-S Silver 965,421 10 $2.91 $31.95 $48.00 $38.00 2001-S 2,300,944 10 $2.91 $19.95 $13.00 $10.00 2001-S Quarters 799,736 5 $1.25 $13.95 $7.50 $6.00 2001-S Silver 889,697 10 $2.91 $31.95 $48.00 $38.00 2002-S 2,319,766 10 $2.91 $19.95 $8.00 $6.00 2002-S Quarters 764,419 5 $1.25 $13.95 $4.00 $3.00 2002-S Silver 892,229 10 $2.91 $31.95 $47.00 $37.00 2003-S 2,172,684 10 $2.91 $19.95 $8.00 $6.00 2003-S Quarters 1,225,507 5 $1.25 $13.95 $4.00 $3.00 2003-S Silver 1,142,858 10 $2.91 $31.95 $47.00 $37.00 2004-S 1,789,488 11 $2.96 $22.95 $9.00 $7.00 2004-S Quarters 951,196 5 $1.25 $15.95 $30.00 $24.00 2004-S Silver 1,175,934 11 $2.96 $37.95 $47.00 $37.00 2004-S Silver Quarters 593,852 5 $1.25 $23.95 $31.00 $24.00 2005-S 2,260,063 11 $2.96 $22.95 $6.00 $4.00 2005-S Quarters 981,278 5 $1.25 $15.95 $35.00 $28.00 2005-S Silver 1,019,166 11 $2.96 $37.95 $48.00 $38.00 2005-S Silver Quarters 606,815 5 $1.25 $23.95 $31.00 $24.00 2005 U.S. Mint American Legacy Collection 46,057 13 $4.96 $135.00 $82.00 $65.00 2006-S 1,985,282 10 $2.91 $22.95 $10.50 $8.00 2006-S Quarters 876,796 5 $1.25 $15.95 $4.50 $3.00 2006-S Silver 1,043,546 10 $2.91 $37.95 $50.00 $40.00 2006-S Silver Quarters 528,293 5 $1.25 $23.95 $31.00 $24.00 2006 U.S. Mint American Legacy Collection 48,452 12 $4.91 $135.00 $81.00 $64.00 2007-S 1,717,972 14 $6.91 $26.95 $16.50 $13.00 2007-S Quarters 544,484 5 $1.25 $13.95 $4.50 $3.00 2007-S Silver 857,562 14 $6.91 $44.95 $53.00 $42.00 2007-S Silver Quarters 390,389 5 $1.25 $25.95 $31.00 $24.00 2007-S Presidential Dollars 882,271 4 $4.00 $14.95 $6.50 $5.00 2007 U.S. Mint American Legacy Collection 26,442 16 $8.91 $135.00 $120.00 $96.00 2008-S 1,377,242 14 $6.91 $26.95 $78.00 $62.00 2008-S Quarters 482,717 5 $1.25 $13.95 $47.00 $37.00 2008-S Silver 772,893 14 $6.91 $44.95 $63.00 $50.00 2008-S Silver Quarters 300,671 5 $1.25 $25.95 $31.00 $24.00 2008-S Presidential Dollars 693,859 4 $4.00 $14.95 $11.00 $8.00 2008 U.S. Mint American Legacy Collection 21,194 15 $6.91 $100.00 $120.00 $96.00 2009-S 1,482,502 18 $7.19 $29.95 $27.00 $21.00 2009-S Lincoln Chronicles 50,000 4 $0.04 $55.95 $135.00 $100.00 2009-S Lincoln Cent 4-coin set 203,937 4 $0.04 $7.95 $15.00 $12.00 2009-S Quarters 636,473 6 $1.50 $14.95 $10.00 $8.00 2009-S Silver 697,365 18 $7.19 $52.95 $70.00 $56.00 2009-S Silver Quarters 293,007 6 $1.50 $29.95 $38.00 $30.00 2009-S Presidential Dollars 629,585 4 $4.00 $14.95 $8.50 $6.00 @ThePhiladelphiaPenny : For a jolt of reality, you may wish to review the findings unearthed by our Grand Master in his never-ending quest to "broaden the body of numismatic knowledge." @Coinbuf certainly hit the nail on the head, but this grocery list, like no other, brings to light the cruel underbelly of the hobby you chose to pursue. @RWB : I appreciate the time and effort you put into this into complex piece of research. It is my hope, that in being drawn to my post, other members may be exposed to little hearalded aspects of our beleaguered hobby. Thanks! Edited Friday at 12:48 PM by Henri Charriere Misspellings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT2 Posted Friday at 12:35 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:35 PM On 10/24/2024 at 6:53 PM, Henri Charriere said: H, I EXPLICITLY SAID: "PROOF SILVER BULLION DOLLARS," TO BE EXACT. HUMM Are you sure you are correct... i am pretty sure that the PF SAE from philly is a Silver bullion coin as well........ so they made 2 different SAEs that year.. correct me if i am wrong but maybe the great @RWB or one of the others could pontificate on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted Friday at 12:56 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 12:56 PM On 10/25/2024 at 8:35 AM, JT2 said: HUMM Are you sure you are correct... i am pretty sure that the PF SAE from philly is a Silver bullion coin as well........ so they made 2 different SAEs that year.. correct me if i am wrong but maybe the great @RWB or one of the others could pontificate on that? Please, Please, PLEASE! do not disturb the slumbering giant [who once implored me to, "Go Away!"] He put a lot of time and effort into his reply. Truth be told, I was not even aware there were two because the outsized publicity attendant to the release of the West Point example eclipsed everything else. in short, I STAND CORRECTED! Please accept my sincere apologies! JT2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted Friday at 01:09 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:09 PM (edited) On 10/24/2024 at 7:21 AM, JT2 said: well i am not an expert but i do have a few SO in 1995 they produced 2 different Proof ASE's. One at the Philly mint which ran about i would say on a good day around 1/2 million. the second which was minted in the West point mint i think they say around 30,000 ish. So as to the packaging the former could be purchased straight from the mint for around $20 bucks. the later which could only be acquired through the purchase of the gold set i think sold for around $2900. So well today you can pick up the Philly proof in OGP for around $75. where as the W minted could run you upwards of $3500 - $4000 depending on the mood of the seller Well i couldn't answer with one word but at least i didnt cheat !! The 1995 set price was $999, not around $2900. Edited Friday at 01:13 PM by VKurtB Henri Charriere and JT2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhiladelphiaPenny Posted Friday at 02:44 PM Share Posted Friday at 02:44 PM On 10/24/2024 at 9:01 PM, Henri Charriere said: @ThePhiladelphiaPenny : For a jolt of reality, you may wish to review the findings unearthed by our Grand Master in his never-ending quest to "broaden the body of numismatic knowledge." @Coinbuf certainly hit the nail on the head, but this grocery list, like no other, brings to light the cruel underbelly of the hobby you chose to pursue. @RWB : I appreciate the time and effort you put into this into complex piece of research. It is my hope, that in being drawn to my post, other members may be exposed to little hearalded aspects of our beleaguered hobby. Thanks! Thanks for bringing my attention to this list, @Henri Charriere! Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT2 Posted Friday at 09:15 PM Share Posted Friday at 09:15 PM On 10/25/2024 at 8:56 AM, Henri Charriere said: giant [who once implored me to, "Go Away!"] H nah dont go away i get amused reading some of your stuff!! and no worries you don't have to apologize. i am often wrong and am not afraid to admit it. Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted Friday at 10:55 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 10:55 PM On 10/25/2024 at 9:09 AM, VKurtB said: The 1995 set price was $999, not around $2900. Just curious... what did you do with the unexpected windfall? Top out the gas tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted Friday at 11:07 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:07 PM On 10/24/2024 at 9:01 PM, Henri Charriere said: I appreciate the time and effort you put into this into complex piece of research. It is my hope, that in being drawn to my post, other members may be exposed to little hearalded aspects of our beleaguered hobby. I try to maintain this kind of thing to simplify citizen requests to NARA. But to some extent it can never really be up-to-date. Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie15 Posted Saturday at 01:00 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:00 PM On 10/24/2024 at 8:49 PM, Henri Charriere said: @Moxie15 : Oh, for Chris'sake, Moxie! Surely you have heard of the ASE line! They've only been around for nearly 40 years! The '95-W was special. You couldn't get it without buying four gold coins -- all Proof. That'll be $999. thank you very much. (Rounds is a generic term which, I believe, even Dr. Carr, par excellence would never stoop to using.) Yes, of course, I just pretty much ignored them. My wife got into them for a few years and we had about 20 or so that we bought for around $10 per and sold them for $35 per when silver went higher (turned them into a nice New Rochelle half that I had always wanted an interesting QEI tuppence and some other cool stuff.) I have just never seen them as collectable, and no use at all for proofs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted Saturday at 01:07 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 01:07 PM On 10/26/2024 at 9:00 AM, Moxie15 said: Yes, of course, I just pretty much ignored them. My wife got into them for a few years and we had about 20 or so that we bought for around $10 per and sold them for $35 per when silver went higher (turned them into a nice New Rochelle half that I had always wanted an interesting QEI tuppence and some other cool stuff.) I have just never seen them as collectable, and no use at all for proofs. C'mn now, Moxie! The entire topic and questions concerned only the '95-W. JT2 in substance understood, and Kurt, who owned one, practically got the gold free when he sold it. Too bad he had to top out his tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldhair Posted Saturday at 08:36 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:36 PM I bought the 95W gold proof set from the mint. I planned to sell the gold but never did. The coins came to me first. They ran out of the proper packaging but they sent it a few weeks later. With the price of gold today, I'm glad I kept it. I almost sold the set when they were going for about $10,000. Should have sold it. I looked at the set a few months ago and the Silver Eagle has no milk spots. I feel lucky. Images won't load. I'll try later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldhair Posted Saturday at 08:41 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:41 PM Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted yesterday at 12:24 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 12:24 AM As Archie B once said, You done good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
