Ppaul Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Hello everyone. I am a new member here and this is my first post. I found this 1957 D Wheat penny last week and I am seeking guidance. I know this error is not listed on any known varieties and I am unsure if I should get it graded or not. Here are some photos in different lighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 It could be legit; I could not find a reference to it. I see a double vest and chin also, it is like the die came loose and hit on an angle to make the double effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhiladelphiaPenny Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Interesting coin. Might be a doubled die, but I can't be sure. Might be damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Welcome to the NGC chat board. Your 1957-D cent resembles an in-collar multiple strike where the planchet (blank) rotated between strikes, but I strongly suspect that it was fabricated (faked) outside of the mint. The multiple images are too localized and only seem to appear on the obverse. See https://www.error-ref.com/?s=multiple+strikes for images and descriptions of genuine pieces. (A multiple strike is a mint error that occurs to a specific coin while being struck; a doubled die, which this definitely isn't, is a die variety caused by doubling in the die itself.) In addition to awaiting additional responses on this forum, you might want to post this coin on the CONECA forum at https://board.conecaonline.org/forum. You can also request an opinion from Jon Sullivan, a respected errors dealer, at https://sullivannumismatics.com/contact-us/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 On 5/6/2024 at 12:42 PM, Sandon said: Welcome to the NGC chat board. Your 1957-D cent resembles an in-collar multiple strike where the planchet (blank) rotated between strikes, but I strongly suspect that it was fabricated (faked) outside of the mint. The multiple images are too localized and only seem to appear on the obverse. See https://www.error-ref.com/?s=multiple+strikes for images and descriptions of genuine pieces. (A multiple strike is a mint error that occurs to a specific coin while being struck; a doubled die, which this definitely isn't, is a die variety caused by doubling in the die itself.) In addition to awaiting additional responses on this forum, you might want to post this coin on the CONECA forum at https://board.conecaonline.org/forum. You can also request an opinion from Jon Sullivan, a respected errors dealer, at https://sullivannumismatics.com/contact-us/. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Obverse and reverse of the coin were struck at the same time, so must rotate and receive the press blow simultaneously. However, if the coin were normal and someone used a fake obverse die to produce multiple images, the reverse might appear almost normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ppaul Posted May 6 Author Share Posted May 6 Thank you for the feedback. After not finding any information about this year I also thought it was fabricated. I will post on the CONECA forum and give Jon Sullivan an email, too. Thanks a lot 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 On 5/6/2024 at 3:58 PM, Ppaul said: After not finding any information about this year I also thought it was fabricated. Mint errors (as opposed to die varieties) are classified by type of error, not by date or mint. They occur to individual coins as they are manufactured, so, each one is unique in its exact appearance, and the date and mint are generally irrelevant. Die varieties, including doubled dies, are due to specific characteristics of dies, which may produce hundreds of thousands of coins, each or at least most of which would show these characteristics, so they are listed by date and mint. If your coin's anomalous characteristics were created at the mint, it would be a mint error, not a die variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powermad5000 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Hello and welcome to the forum! I believe we had a discussion in the forum here involving multiple strikes in a thread quite some time ago and it was determined that the second, or possibly more strikes will obliterate most of the evidence of the first strike. On the date of the coin you posted, I see one primary date and three weaker images, all shifted. I do not see how this could have occurred during the striking without also affecting the rest of the design and lettering as well as showing some evidence of the same type of rotation happening on the reverse (if it were to be the planchet rotating between strikes). I don't see this same thing in any area of the reverse. I am going to say someone took a soft impression of this cent, and transferred it to a harder metal and then used that to hammer extra strikes on to this coin. I note the coin is also misshapen some which would explain the extra hammer blows to me. I do not think this happened at the Mint. RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
