Noob115 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 So I found this weird 1994 P quarter today, pretty much by accident.. I was bored and going through my coins and found this one, I don't usually put quarters under my microscope because normally they are large enough to see stuff on them, but I figured why not give it a go.. I know this is in rough condition and worth absolutely nothing but just thought I'd share.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie15 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 It looks like strike doubling caused by serious die deterioration with a lot of rough use The Neophyte Numismatist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 This coin was in rough shape right off the press. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Only 18 shots? How do you expect anyone to make a proper numismatic diagnosis with only 18 shots? Just kidding! Graders use only 5- to 7-power lenses. If you use anything stronger, you will begin to see things that are not really there. One shot of yours I like is the very first one, with a "filled" A. Parting shot: before you submit pix of nails (or talons) be sure they are clean and clipped otherwise you'll never hear the end of it if you (or your coins) go for a job and find our @Mike Meenderink conducting interviews behind the desk. 🤣 zadok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Please post cropped photos of each full side of a coin about which you have questions. Often, one "can't see the forest for the trees". Experts (such as at NGC and the authors of the Cherrypickers' Guide) agree that if a die variety can't be discerned at 5-7x magnification, it is probably not significant. It is unnecessary to use this level of magnification. Based on the photos, this coin appears to exhibit a combination of strike doubling (a.k.a. machine or mechanical doubling) and die deterioration doubling, both of which are common, generally have no collector value, and are referred to as "worthless doubling". See Double Dies vs. Machine Doubling | NGC (ngccoin.com) and https://www.doubleddie.com/144801.html and links therein on mechanical doubling (a.k.a. strike or machine doubling), die deterioration doubling, and abrasion doubling. Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob115 Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 On 4/11/2024 at 6:51 PM, Sandon said: Please post cropped photos of each full side of a coin about which you have questions. Often, one "can't see the forest for the trees". Experts (such as at NGC and the authors of the Cherrypickers' Guide) agree that if a die variety can't be discerned at 5-7x magnification, it is probably not significant. It is unnecessary to use this level of magnification. Based on the photos, this coin appears to exhibit a combination of strike doubling (a.k.a. machine or mechanical doubling) and die deterioration doubling, both of which are common, generally have no collector value, and are referred to as "worthless doubling". See Double Dies vs. Machine Doubling | NGC (ngccoin.com) and https://www.doubleddie.com/144801.html and links therein on mechanical doubling (a.k.a. strike or machine doubling), die deterioration doubling, and abrasion doubling. I literally said ,I know it's not valuable... Also everyone said get a microscope so you can see fine details on coins, when you post a picture with a microscope, everyone just asks/wants a iphone picture 🤦 I done trying to be excited and find new things, all I'll get is tore down and told everything I do is wrong so why try? I'm out,you guys can have this coin collecting game, it's not worth it any longer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 4/11/2024 at 7:20 PM, Noob115 said: I done trying to be excited and find new things, all I'll get is tore down and told everything I do is wrong so why try? I'm out, you guys can have this coin collecting game, it's not worth it any longer.. I didn't have the slightest intention of offending you and am mystified by your response. I assumed that you posted these photos because you wanted to learn about what caused the apparent anomalies on this coin and any significance they might have. (If you didn't want our honest assessment, why post them?) If you review the information in the links I included in my reply, you will find some very interesting information about how these anomalies occur and how you might distinguish coins exhibiting them from a coin struck from an actual doubled die should you ever be so fortunate as to find one. Knowledge is essential in every endeavor in life, including endeavors intended for enjoyment. I suppose that as a new collector over fifty years ago, I could have reacted as you did when a more experienced collector tried to teach me something, but then I would have missed many great experiences. You should reconsider for your own sake. On 4/11/2024 at 7:20 PM, Noob115 said: everyone said get a microscope so you can see fine details on coins, Based on my review of your posts, no one on these forums advised you to photograph coins at high levels of magnification. I don't know who did. I and others were just trying to educate you on this matter. If you find looking at such photos to your own liking, you are free to do so. (I use a digital microscope to photograph entire sides of coins, placing the microscope on a stack of books when necessary.) J P M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Meenderink Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 BYE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldhair Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I feel sorry for some of the new collectors that join this site. All the do this and don't do that post, just upset new members. There are better, more friendly ways to teach. Just Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 4/12/2024 at 8:41 AM, Mike Meenderink said: BYE Mike, please! You have been around long enough to know nothing here happens without my knowledge and consent. 🤣 He's got something the majority of collectors here have only heard about, seen pictures of, or held in their hand: a '95-W. (no further description needed.) Another point: nobody likes to be told their coin is worthless, or exhibits worthless features. I was wholly unaware NGC subscribes to this notion, as set forth upthread in Sandon's link. Worthless implies, of no value. I believe it to be more mannerly to say, I am afraid the features, as described, carry no added value. Let's be mindful that these members are new to the hobby. This gentleman, as I noted in his first Topic was so eager to share his good new, he posted his comments mere minutes after becoming a member. The member posted his dues. He deserves better than being treated to a barrage of unwanted attention from a gaggle of men at a construction site. To the OP: Kindly reconsider your decision and come back when the spirit moves you. To echo an old Motel 6 commercial: "We'll even leave the light on for you." Mike Meenderink and zadok 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 OP, Which of your pictures has the best WOW factor to you? If you said anything but the filled A, you were wrong. That A is really cool. Valuable? Prolly not, but cool nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 4/11/2024 at 6:20 PM, Noob115 said: everyone said get a microscope so you can see fine details on coins Who? Where? Not here. Are you sure it wasn’t a seller of microscopes? A YouTube video perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Abshier Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) On 4/11/2024 at 7:20 PM, Noob115 said: I done trying to be excited and find new things, all I'll get is tore down and told everything I do is wrong so why try? I’m not like everyone else you’re claiming on here …. My advice would be from one collector to a newbie collector stop looking at pocket change for little imperfections (which is normal) I don’t see any fun in that anyways actually quiet boring … you’re wasting your time , start building a collection buy some coins they don’t have be expensive get yourself some 2x2 Mylar flips buy some coins have some fun study some books on series of coins you are collecting wether its US coinage or world coinage and get involved on here more often as a collector (try Lincolns cent series try collect all years and mint marks by date most are available in raw condition anyways on eBay and all over for reasonable price) get them neatly in 2x2 flips in binder pages for holding 2x2 flips just have some fun with it come on here you’ll have something worth talking about…. That’s all I could say for now hope you consider … Edited April 13 by Jason Abshier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 On 4/13/2024 at 8:52 AM, Jason Abshier said: I’m not like everyone else you’re claiming on here …. My advice would be from one collector to a newbie collector stop looking at pocket change for little imperfections (which is normal) I don’t see any fun in that anyways actually quiet boring … you’re wasting your time , start building a collection buy some coins they don’t have be expensive get yourself some 2x2 Mylar flips buy some coins have some fun study some books on series of coins you are collecting wether its US coinage or world coinage and get involved on here more often as a collector (try Lincolns cent series try collect all years and mint marks by date most are available in raw condition anyways on eBay and all over for reasonable price) get them neatly in 2x2 flips in binder pages for holding 2x2 flips just have some fun with it come on here you’ll have something worth talking about…. That’s all I could say for now hope you consider … Star Wars: A New Hope. (Because Jar Jar Binks is gone.) Jason Abshier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
