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[Midwest Dozer]

i do nont own the coin i wish i did but no sir i do not. i  copy and pasted ngc description of the 1964 sms coins. it must of copied the entire page sorry for any misunderstandings  

[EagleRJO]

On 2/11/2024 at 12:26 AM, powermad5000 said:

8 hours pass and you miss a lot on here...

On 2/11/2024 at 5:30 PM, Midwest Dozer said:

no such thing as a sms

There are coins labeled as special strike 1964 Kennedy Half Dollars with a unique appearance and characteristics, originally being discussed here before the wipe, which some collectors consider very rare and valuable in the six figure range.

See the following NGC and PCG$ links and attached examples.  I think the op was trying to cut-paste the info from the NGC linked webpage.  It's believed those special coins can somehow be traced back to renowned NY coin dealer Lester Merkin who obtained them directly from a mint employee.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1964-50c-sms/6844

https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/united-states/half-dollars/kennedy-half-dollars-1964-date/76045/1964-50c-sp/

I don't see any reason not to post photos of the entire obverse and reverse of the coin in question to discuss.  It might be helpful to others who may be mistakenly searching for these coins in rolls.

Edited February 11 by EagleRJO

[Midwest Dozer]

the real slab's they look kind of shinny  looks like the light is reflecting off of them to me

[EagleRJO]

On 2/11/2024 at 6:54 PM, Midwest Dozer said:

the real slab's they look kind of shinny  looks like the light is reflecting off of them to me

Does your coin (or coins) have a similar appearance, but you are just unable to track them back to a specific source?

[Midwest Dozer]

everyone talks about the 3 stars on the reverse of the coin  on 11-13 ok   if you go by the die marks  and the hair to then let me see if these are it ok lets see if all this is the case then i guess i have this many..  let me set-up my camera. im also trying to do proper english too. k here are your picture ever one wanted. the hair matches the die lines match  the stars match. i will not open them they are complete sets

[Midwest Dozer]

they are unopened sets i didnt want to post them

[Sandon]

   I assume that what you have are 1964 uncirculated coin sets, a.k.a. "mint sets", of which the mint reportedly sold 1,008,108 sets. (Does the plastic sheet also contain the cent through quarter dollar and a white plastic token printed with "Uncirculated Coins of Philadelphia Mint, Distributed by U.S. Mint", and is there a similar plastic sheet containing the Denver coins and token?)   These sets contain regular 1964 production coins with the usual frosty finish. The coins were not specially handled before packaging and have abrasions from coin-to-coin contact and spotting, as I can see on yours. The coins in these sets are not so-called "SMS" strikes. This month's Coin World lists these sets as selling for $36-$40 each.

Edited February 12 by Sandon
eliminate redundant wording

[VKurtB]

On 2/11/2024 at 5:54 PM, Midwest Dozer said:

the real slab's they look kind of shinny  looks like the light is reflecting off of them to me

Ohhhhhh, you didn’t say they were shinny. That changes everything. 

[Midwest Dozer]

just like you said their just run of the mill old 1964 sets that it nothing more nothing less  now everyone can just leave me alone 

[Midwest Dozer]

they have plastic on them i guess they are shiny 

[Midwest Dozer]

nothing pleases anyone on here no matter what you do to show people nothing pleases anyone on here

[Midwest Dozer]

show me your 1964 set that is exactly  like the  seven sets i posted.... i have 40-50 that is nothing like those 7 so just show me your sets that is just like those seven. the hair has to match the proof  the stars have to match and the heavy die marks have to match. i put mine out their so wow 50 years old and stooping to levels ive never seen in my lifetime. i dont give a flat out  about my     grammer 

[powermad5000]

I have absolutely no stake in this discussion whatsoever.

Since it seems that you are getting so upset over the opinions in this thread, then I will give you the same advice that I give to all those who get upset over other's opinions. Submit them to NGC then and return to this thread with the results.

[Sandon]

 

On 2/11/2024 at 8:27 PM, Midwest Dozer said:

just show me your sets that is just like those seven. the hair has to match the proof  the stars have to match and the heavy die marks have to match.

   None of us is claiming to have a 1964 mint set containing so-called "SMS" coins.  You are.  Based on your photos, your sets do not appear to show either the "smooth satin like appearance with the rims being very square and sharp" nor the "die polishing lines throughout the coins' surfaces" that are per PCGS the defining characteristics of these pieces, along with special handling that the known examples received. Your coins show only scattered die polish marks, as frequently seen on fairly new dies. The photos posted on this topic of authenticated examples show an appearance quite different from that of your coins. 

  Here are full photos of the Philadelphia half dollar in my 1964 mint set, which I was able to illuminate more fully than yours:

   If your coins have this same type of bright luster, they just can't be considered for consideration as so-called SMS pieces.  

  I also took a closeup of the area of rays 11 to 13 where they meet the stars. NGC refers to the reverse with breaks in the rays as a "Type 1 reverse" but does not indicate that this reverse is unique to the so-called "SMS" pieces.  My coin appears to have this same reverse:

   My coin also shows at least a trace of the "small raised defect that appears to hang from the crosslet of the 4" that Ron Guth stated on the PCGS Coinfacts page is a diagnostic for the so-called "SMS" pieces:

   If your sets contain so-called "SMS" pieces, perhaps my set does too. It seems that there a lot of them, though.

[Henri Charriere]

If no one objects violently to my use of the term, "High Wires," I presently use for specific Double-Eagles only, I shall take the liberty of referring to SMSs as such, similarly.  My feeling is no one likes to accept a coin that was not authorized, specifically. They are technically, from my understanding, not supposed to exist officially.  My only regret is the young boy who was never able to reap the rewards of owning a coin (a 1943 copper cent) that no less an authority than the director of the U.S. MINT in a short, unapologetic missive  stated -- not that the coin did not exist -- but none were authorized.

[J P M]

Well hear is a good one, two of the coins in holders that I looked up for reference have no listings.

NGC 1622190-002 SP 69 There is no 69 or 70 SP only a 68+ 

PCGS 10081826 SP 67

[EagleRJO]

On 2/12/2024 at 8:20 AM, J P M said:

Well hear is a good one, two of the coins in holders that I looked up for reference have no listings.

NGC 1622190-002 SP 69 There is no 69 or 70 SP only a 68+ 

The one in an NGC holder referenced is from my post above which was obtained from the HA site listed in a 2004 auction.  I thought HA checked certs, so I wonder if it was crossed over or something since then as that was a while ago.

[Midwest Dozer]

[Midwest Dozer]

same coin two different finishes looks like one is air brushed satin finish

[J P M]

On 2/12/2024 at 9:30 AM, EagleRJO said:

The one in an NGC holder referenced is from my post above which was obtained from the HA site listed in a 2004 auction.  I thought HA checked certs, so I wonder if it was crossed over or something since then as that was a while ago.

Yes, I saw the H.A.,but I also saw the 69 and that was a question. So I looked it up.

[Midwest Dozer]

all the pictures of the 1964 sp look air brushed when you look each coin up they are shiny in the holders

 

[LOCK34]

No misunderstanding. I was being a smartass.

[VKurtB]

On 2/12/2024 at 9:41 AM, Midwest Dozer said:

all the pictures of the 1964 sp look air brushed when you look each coin up they are shiny in the holders

 

Not shinny? Huh.