1892-S Morgan Dollar I believe I found a cud, die crack and possible date doubling? 0

[NeverEnoughCoins09]

First I want to apologize if I should have posted on the original post or made a new one for a new question. Also I know my pictures are not the best so if you need better ones I will try my best sorry in advance!

After closer inspection I believe I have found a cud on the rim, a die crack on right side of 9 top to middle and maybe another above tail of 9. Possible doubling on the 8 and possibly other numbers. Looking at VAMs for this date. 

Any info is appreciated, thank you for your time everyone!

 

 

[Sandon]

  The deformity at the rim could be a minor (and worthless) rim cud but is more likely minor rim damage.

   The line to the right of the "9" is clearly a scratch. A die crack would be raised, not depressed, and you can see displaced metal piled on each side. (Moreover, die cracks are very common on coins of this era and generally add no value.)

   The material inside the "9" and around other numerals is likely an accumulation of encrusted dirt and/or corrosion product.

   The deformity on the "8" is clearly a scrape, with the displaced metal pushed to the top right of the "8".

    All of these forms of minor damage are the norm on well-circulated coins, especially heavy ones such as silver dollars. Additionally, bear in mind that die varieties are generally not considered significant if they can't readily be seen with 5-7x magnification. See What is a Variety? | NGC (ngccoin.com) (last sentence).

 

    

   

[NeverEnoughCoins09]

On 1/18/2024 at 12:43 PM, Sandon said:

Additionally, bear in mind that die varieties are generally not considered significant if they can't readily be seen with 5-7x magnification. See What is a Variety? | NGC (ngccoin.com) (last sentence).

 

    

   

Understood, will do. Thanks again!

[powermad5000]

There are few recognized VAM's for this date and mintmark, but two of them involve RPD (as in 1892/1892) neither of which your coin exhibits in all the numerals, and the third VAM is for TDO Hair of which with the wear present on your coin, I think would be difficult if not impossible to determine.

While there may be some other lesser known VAM's, they do not appear to be widely recognized and therefore, probably not worth the time of trying to determine on this coin.

While your coin may have a very minor cud, it is too minor of it to be of note to a grader and also would not add any premium to this coin. I think you have some circulation scratches around the 9 and the 8 does appear to have taken a pretty good hit to displace the metal and make it appear to have doubling at the top but there is no evidence of any of the numerals having any form of doubling on this coin.

[dcarr]

The rim effect is due to a minor planchet delamination.

The top of the "8" in the date took a hit and got mashed.

 

[NeverEnoughCoins09]

Thank you everyone! I understand. I will still enjoy it though

[EagleRJO]

On 1/18/2024 at 11:58 AM, NeverEnoughCoins09 said:

I believe I have found a cud on the rim, a die crack ... and possible doubling on the 8

Looking at VAMs for this date

I am also seeing a minor rim cud or delamination, scratches instead of die cracks at the date, and just a hit at the "8" in the date.  About the VAMs, are you looking at them for possible varieties, or to authenticate the coin as it appears to already be in a TPG holder, unless that's a similar aftermarket slab.

About the VAMs and varieties, there are only four VAMs or varieties NGC will attribute for a 1892-S Morgan which is a DDO, a TDO and two RPDs where I agree with PM that your coin does not appear to match any of those.  There are other VAMs or minor varieties, but they would not add any value.

If you are looking at VAMs to authenticate the coin there is too much discoloration combined with blurry photos to pick up any die markers, so you would would have to identify them with the coin in-hand.  But it does look like a normal date and mintmark position and orientation to me, which might help narrow the list down if needed.