Would grading help value of this coin thanks 1 1

[CREDTO51]

I’m a novice and learning … I need to learn . Thank you 

would this coin benefit from a grade and case? I collect sports cards and comics and have graded them when trying to increase rarity and value. Does that also apply to coins. 
is this coin a decent candidate for my first submission, thanks Tom 

[Coinbuf]

When you post photos we need to see the whole coin both sides, then you can post a closeup and questions about the area you are interested in.   As you posted only the closeup I assume you think this is a valuable doubled die coin.    But we cannot even tell what the date is to attempt to verify if there is a known doubled die for whatever date this coin is.   However, from your photos this looks like worthless strike doubling on a well circulated coin with plenty of hits and scratches worth face value of $.50.   This is known as a spender, but if you want to you can spend $40 on plastic, I would not recommend doing so unless I knew the date and could verify if it could be a known doubled die.

Edited October 29, 2023 by Coinbuf

[dprince1138]

Nice DDR.

What are you referring to as "first submission"?

Yes, grading always helps.  Generally, some sort of protecting material is useful.  Many collectors use the stapled cardboard method.  You can buy coin holders inexpensively from Amazon. 

Of course, to grade would require complete images of obverse and reverse.

Also, you may want to view similar coins on ebay, etsy or heritage auctions for comparable listings.

Sheldon coin grading scale - Wikipedia

 

 

 

 

[Coinbuf]

On 10/28/2023 at 7:45 PM, dprince1138 said:

Nice DDR.

Spreading false information like this is frowned upon by a mature population.

[Mike Meenderink]

Have you read any books about coins and collecting? Do you have an interest in coins or are you merely looking to make money? Just because something is graded and encased in a plastic holder does not usually "increase rarity or value" unless the coin was rare and valuable to begin with. You need to slow down and learn before you waste time and money ...but alas most will not listen and heed off headstrong into the darkness and abyss of failure. Goodluck

Edited October 29, 2023 by Mike Meenderink

[JKK]

No.

[Mike Meenderink]

On 10/28/2023 at 7:45 PM, dprince1138 said:

Nice DDR.

 

 

 

 

 

This is strike doubling and not a DDR. You may not be qualified to make these statements to beginners if you yourself in your statements acknowledge you are one as well. The strike doubling is classic and obvious. This coin is worth face value. Period.

Edited October 29, 2023 by Mike Meenderink

[dprince1138]

My error.

Many people confuse double die coins with double struck coins. The significant difference is that double-struck coins are hit twice by the same coin die during the striking process. A doubled die coin is produced when the coin die is not manufactured correctly. This manufacturing error leads to the appearance of two images on a single coin die. The more obvious and distinct the error is, the more the coin will be worth.

[dprince1138]

Double strikes seem to be selling, or at least listed, for about $25.

[Sandon]

   Since I forgot to mention it in my response to your previous topic, welcome to the NGC chat board. As others have indicated, please post clear, cropped photos of each side of a coin about which you have questions.

On 10/28/2023 at 10:24 PM, CREDTO51 said:

I’m a novice and learning …

      I have over fifty years of experience collecting and studying U.S. coins. I'm still learning and always will be. As a novice, you need to follow the old adage of "buy the book before the coin", which today can include some online study.  At a bare minimum, you need a current or recent edition "Redbook", a grading guide, and a current price guide. Topics regarding minor varieties and mint errors (like that in your previous topic) are for more advanced study, and you cannot really understand them without first mastering the basics of how coins are made, the history and types of U.S. coinage, what dates and mints and major varieties of the series you want to collect are considered rare, and how to grade and otherwise evaluate coins. Your education should also involve attendance at such venues as coin shows and coin club meetings, where you can examine a variety of coins and speak with knowledgeable collectors and dealers. Please see the following topics to obtain the appropriate print and online resources:

On 10/28/2023 at 10:24 PM, CREDTO51 said:

would this coin benefit from a grade and case?

      Any coin you wish to collect would "benefit from a grade"--given by you, once you have learned the necessary skills. It would also benefit from being placed in an album or other appropriate holder. Grading a coin is not synonymous with submitting it to a third-party grading service, which is the last thing a novice collector should be thinking about doing. Your coin would have to be worth at least several hundred dollars to be worthy of submission from a financial perspective, and you do not have sufficient knowledge of grading or, in this case, variety attribution to make this determination. You would also need to be familiar with the practices and requirements of the grading service to which you would want to submit it.

    From what I can see from the photos, your coin is a common date, circulated copper-nickel clad Kennedy half dollar with strike doubling (a.k.a. machine or mechanical doubling), a common and worthless phenomenon resulting from a die being slightly loose in the coinage press. See Double Dies vs. Machine Doubling | NGC (ngccoin.com). It is neither a doubled die, which is a die variety, nor a double strike, which is a mint error, as apparently suggested by @dprince1138.  As indicated by @Coinbuf, it is likely worth only face value, a fact that would not be changed by spending $75 ($19 "modern" tier grading fee + $18 variety attribution fee + $10 per order processing fee + $28 return shipping fee) if you were to make this a single coin submission to NGC, not including your cost of shipping it there.

   You may benefit from the following topic recently posted by a member who learned the hard way what happens when one submits coins to a grading service without adequate knowledge.

 

[dprince1138]

[Coinbuf]

On 10/28/2023 at 9:28 PM, dprince1138 said:

Please start a new thread to discuss your coin it gets confusing when multiple coins are posted to the same thread.   Also please read the pinned post about posting etiquette, we need to see photos of the entire obverse and reverse and then any closeup of an area you have a question about.

[Sandon]

@Coinbuf--The photo posted by @dprince1138 is a photo from the NGC topic I linked provided as an "[e]xample of machine or strike doubling".  It is a close match to the flat, shelf-like strike doubling on the OP's coin. I don't know what his point is.

[Coinbuf]

On 10/28/2023 at 9:56 PM, Sandon said:

@Coinbuf--The photo posted by @dprince1138 is a photo from the NGC topic I linked provided as an "[e]xample of machine or strike doubling".  It is a close match to the flat, shelf-like strike doubling on the OP's coin. I don't know what his point is.

No one knows what @dprince1138's point is as he said nothing.

[EagleRJO]

On 10/28/2023 at 11:06 PM, dprince1138 said:

... double die coins

It's "doubled" die coins!  Some people get the two confused.

https://www.pcgs.com/news/its-doubled-die

[powermad5000]

Back to @Coinbuf's first statement in this thread. There is no way of telling anything for sure without clear cropped photos of both sides of the coin. All we have so far is a 197X D Kennedy Half Dollar. We cannot attempt to say there is or is not any variety attribution without proper photos.

[RWB]

RE: "Would grading help value of this coin."

Nope. It's already worth 50-cents and having it "graded" will not increase the face value. It has no collector value.

[CREDTO51]

I can see the diversity of knowledge on these boards. I can also see there are no clear answers.

My question was , “would a grade from a grader increase value? “
Yes it’s a 50-cent piece , and has this type of facility damage.

 

[CREDTO51]

The topic of clear cropped photos. Please explain? 
on my computer screen they are clear. 

[CREDTO51]

Reply to full pictures 

[J P M]

On 10/29/2023 at 1:37 PM, CREDTO51 said:

Reply to full pictures 

Thank you for posting full shots of the coin. The obverse is out of orientation but it is workable. The coin is a piece with some MD from what I can see. 

[Coinbuf]

On 10/29/2023 at 10:31 AM, CREDTO51 said:

I can see the diversity of knowledge on these boards. I can also see there are no clear answers.

My question was , “would a grade from a grader increase value? "

I think anyone (save one respondent that does not know about coins) that replied was very clear that sending a coin that has no special attributes, and in this condition, will not increase the value of the coin.   You would get better value from your money if you light a $100 bill on fire to stay warm than to have this coin graded.

On 10/29/2023 at 10:31 AM, CREDTO51 said:

Yes it’s a 50-cent piece , and has this type of facility damage.

I have no idea what you mean by "facility damage" as explained above this happens when the coin is struck and the die is loose in the press.   It causes the die to bounce and produce a second lower relief image as you see in your coin.   This is not damage, just poor production from an inattentive mint worker, it is very common and has no value to any knowledgeable collector.   It is also not a true DDR or double struck as was incorrectly posted above.

On 10/29/2023 at 10:33 AM, CREDTO51 said:

The topic of clear cropped photos. Please explain? 
on my computer screen they are clear. 

Your photos are slightly out of focus, not badly so but slightly.   As I said above we need clear, cropped, in focus photos taken straight on (not angled) to be able to provide you with good feedback.   Maybe you have heard the term "garbage in, garbage out", that is the case with photos, poor or incomplete photos result in poor or incomplete analysis.   This is the type of photo we would ideally like to see, straight on, evenly lit, in focus photos.   Then if you have an area of concern you can provide the closeup.

 

[EagleRJO]

On 10/29/2023 at 1:33 PM, CREDTO51 said:

The topic of clear cropped photos. Please explain? 
on my computer screen they are clear. 

They may look clear, but when you zoom in they become blurry.  I don't think it's that important for this coin as there is only one minor attributable variety for a 1972-D 50C which is a FS-901 "No FG", and your coin is not that.  It appears to just be a circulated coin which has some minor machine doubling on the obverse which doesn't add value. 

On 10/29/2023 at 1:31 PM, CREDTO51 said:

My question was , “would a grade from a grader increase value? “

Having a coin graded will increase it's value, even if only by a very small amount like with this coin.  A coin would need to be worth about several hundred dollars to break even with the grading cost covered by the increase in value having it graded.  That is not the case here, so people have been responding not to submit it for grading as you would lose money.

Edited October 30, 2023 by EagleRJO

[Mike Meenderink]

On 10/29/2023 at 10:31 AM, CREDTO51 said:

I can see the diversity of knowledge on these boards. I can also see there are no clear answers.

My question was , “would a grade from a grader increase value? “
Yes it’s a 50-cent piece , and has this type of facility damage.

 

The clear answer is you need to read. You also need to stop posting .

[Sandon]

On 10/29/2023 at 1:33 PM, CREDTO51 said:

The topic of clear cropped photos. Please explain? 

  Your photos should be from directly above the coin, not at an angle, show the entirety of each side of the coin, and show as little of the surface on which it sits as possible, like this photo of an uncirculated example of a 1972-D Kennedy half dollar:

On 10/29/2023 at 1:31 PM, CREDTO51 said:

My question was , “would a grade from a grader increase value? “

   You mean, "would a grade from a third-party grading service increase its value?"  Anyone who has sufficient knowledge to arrive at a reasonable grade for a coin is a grader. My answer is an emphatic NO!  

   Coin collecting, the hobby of kings, goes back for several thousand years, about as long as coins themselves. The first service that encapsulated the coins it authenticated and graded (PCGS) only opened for business in 1986, some fifteen years after I began collecting. Collectors and dealers determined what they were willing to pay for coins based on their own knowledge and taste, and they still do. Third-party grading services supposedly provide an unbiased opinion of the authenticity and grade of coins because they are neither the seller nor the potential buyer, but they may be reluctant to grade conservatively because they do not want to displease regular submitters.  Their opinions are just that--opinions.

   Grading is highly subjective, and many coins graded by each of the major services have repeatedly been removed from their holders--the jargon is "cracked out"-- and awarded a range of different grades by the same or different services. Major auctions may feature successive lots of the same issue with the same grade awarded by the same service, and the prices realized for these lots may differ significantly based upon the bidders' evaluations of each particular coin.  A coin is what it is, without regard to what is printed on a grading service label, and its value is determined by what knowledgeable collectors are willing to pay for it.

[Mike Meenderink]

On 10/28/2023 at 8:06 PM, dprince1138 said:

My error.

Many people confuse double die coins with double struck coins. The significant difference is that double-struck coins are hit twice by the same coin die during the striking process. A doubled die coin is produced when the coin die is not manufactured correctly. This manufacturing error leads to the appearance of two images on a single coin die. The more obvious and distinct the error is, the more the coin will be worth.

No you are wrong and trying to be your own apologist. Educated coin collectors and Numismatist DO NOT confuse machine or strike doubling with doubled die coins. Ill bet you don't even know there are several classes of real doubling that have been exhaustively researched, cataloged and published. Most layman just like you think there's just one type..The coin has what appears to be doubled letters or numbers that's it its a DDR or DDO. Laughable. You need EDUCATION. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Mike Meenderink

[powermad5000]

@CREDTO51, whatever a coin's life has been, either well protected and properly stored, or well circulated, cleaned, and abused, grading in and of itself cannot change or add value to any coin. Grading is a subjective science (some will also say opinion) of the features and surface of a coin. Once a coin has sustained surface issues or damage, or has been cleaned, or any other of a number of ways a coin's surface is diminished from the time it is ejected from the press after being struck, grading is a description of its surface and of the presence of issues and damage, or lack of such at the present time of the grader viewing the coin.

A coin's value is tied to mintage number, rarity (survivability), and condition (which includes surface and strike). Grading does not change these factors.

I think where you are getting with your question about grading is the only way a TPG grading "adds value" to a coin is if the original grader (which could be less than knowledgeable) missed a key factor in their assessment and the coin either is graded higher than was previously thought or is given an attribute that was missed. HOWEVER, this is a matter of perspective. Those features were already there, just missed by an earlier grader's assessment. In reality, the coin itself did not "gain" value.

[EagleRJO]

I don't agree that grading by a TPG does not add value.  There are distinct differences between what raw coins will sell for and what coins graded and slabbed by a TPG will sell for, which is what I think the op means by "graded".

Grading by a TPG doesn't change the coin, but changes the desirability in the eyes of many collectors which increases the prices they sell for.  Particularly with newer collectors not astute at accessing raw coins.  In some cases this difference is not that great, which I think is the case for the coin being discussed.

[Hoghead515]

On 10/28/2023 at 10:45 PM, dprince1138 said:

Nice DDR.

What are you referring to as "first submission"?

Yes, grading always helps.  Generally, some sort of protecting material is useful.  Many collectors use the stapled cardboard method.  You can buy coin holders inexpensively from Amazon. 

Of course, to grade would require complete images of obverse and reverse.

Also, you may want to view similar coins on ebay, etsy or heritage auctions for comparable listings.

Sheldon coin grading scale - Wikipedia

 

 

 

 

Not a ddr. Looks like strike doubling to me. They are the worthless doubling. I agree the coin is only worth face value and not worth submitting. 

[Hoghead515]

On 10/29/2023 at 1:31 PM, CREDTO51 said:

I can see the diversity of knowledge on these boards. I can also see there are no clear answers.

My question was , “would a grade from a grader increase value? “
Yes it’s a 50-cent piece , and has this type of facility damage.

 

What people are saying is its only worth 50 cents. Having it graded would not increase the value. A coin has to be worth at least a couple hundred dollars to make it worth sending in to get graded. In some cases it will make the coins that are worth grading worth a little more than they were raw depending on the grade assigned. And sometimes it does not add no value other than what it was valued at when submitting. But those coins have to be worth sending in. In your case the half dollar you shared is only worth face value and it would add no value at all to the coin inside the plastic. It would cost you around $80 to $100 to have it graded. You would be better off taking that money and buying a nice coin already graded. 

Edited October 30, 2023 by Hoghead515