1975 NO S ? 1 1

[Travsobeast]

ARE THESE THE PROOF NO S DIMES???PROLLY NOT BUT BOTH HAVE DIFFERNT LOOK THAN ANY OTHER ONES I HAVE OR SEEN FROM PHILI....I THINK THE JS DESIGNER INTIALS LOOK PRETY MUCH THE SAME AS THE PROOF NO S ONE....HORRIBLE CONDITION I KNOW THO...ALSO THE HAIR SOMEWHAT RESEMBLES THE NO S DIME....HELP THANKS

[Greenstang]

Not a proof, just a regular 1975 dime.   
Please do not use all caps, that is considered shouting.

[J P M]

Your Dimes don't have a P but they are from Philadelphia. 

Edited October 26, 2023 by J P M

[Travsobeast]

How do know if its a no S dime proof though????because my 2 other dimes with no mint mark shows the deseigner intials totaly different an the no S proofs without the S deseigner intials match the proof no S dime though.And the other 2 dimes designer intials match with the phili P....weird... idk tho...

[Sandon]

   Only two 1975 "no S" proof dimes are known to exist, at least one of which was found in a mint packaged 1975 proof set. Both are in Gem Proof condition (PCGS graded PR 68 and PR 66), with their original mirror surfaces, and none has been found since 1984. See https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1975-10c-no-s/5254.  The Philadelphia mint issued 585,673,900 1975 dimes for circulation, also without mintmarks. (The "P" mintmark was not used on dimes and most other denominations until 1980.) Presumably, any circulated 1975 dime found in circulation would be one of these Philadelphia strikes, and I am unaware of any numismatic reference purporting to explain how one could tell the difference.

On 10/25/2023 at 9:04 PM, Travsobeast said:

.I THINK THE JS DESIGNER INTIALS LOOK PRETY MUCH THE SAME AS THE PROOF NO S ONE...

   In what way? Can you show photos of other 1975 dimes that show how the initials differ from these two? Moreover, how do you know that all of the hundreds of millions of Philadelphia circulation strikes, which would have been struck from several thousand different die pairs, all had this same style of "JS" that differed from that of the "no S" proofs?

   You're proposing that you just happen to have found two 1975 "no S" proof dimes that were removed from 1975 proof sets and spent and now are well-circulated coins with no proof surfaces, but you can tell the difference between them and other well circulated 1975 dimes struck in Philadelphia. How likely is this?

Edited October 26, 2023 by Sandon
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[EagleRJO]

@Travsobeast From this post, and numerous other recent posts with ordinary couch coins thought to possibly be rare and valuable errors or varieties, it seems you have been duped by clueless tubers with click-bait vids claiming you could get rich from pocket change if you just keep watching all of their videos.  It seems this includes the false belief you can simply sort through your pocket change and possibly find a very rare proof dime worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It appears you are just fooling yourself that the "JS" designer initials on the 1975 dime you have matches the rare dime, but not the common business strike dimes.  The dies for both the 1975-S 10C proof (of which two are known to have no "S" mark) and 1975 (P) 10C business strike coins which have no mint marks were both produced in Philadelphia from the same master design, which included the "JS" designers initials, by just adding an "S" mint mark to a normal "P" mint die which had no mark, and then preparing it.

That is why occasionally the mint mark was inadvertently left off dies produced in Philly for some older coins intended for another mint, and would only be discovered in San Francisco (thus the "S" mark) after striking a few coins and examining them.  So there are a handful of "No S Mark" coins where this happened when initially striking some of the coins.  See the link in Sandon's post above about the 1975 "No S" mark proof dimes which discusses this.

Any minor apparent variations in the "JS" initials between the various mints and strikes, particularly for circulated coins, most certainly are due to just differences in die deterioration or coin wear, stains, shadows and hits.  If you look at the initials on certified examples of various mint state strikes for 1975 dimes at the following links you should be able to see this for yourself.  Also see the attached screenshot showing an example comparison of the initials on your coin with a sample of various strikes.  Regardless, the designer initials are not a variety die indicator for the rare no mark coins.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1975-10c/images/5147

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1975-s-10c/images/5253

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1975-10c-no-s/5254

It seems like you need to start over from the beginning learning about coin collecting, as well as errors and varieties, with more reputable sources you can find links to on this forum.

Edited October 26, 2023 by EagleRJO