Going through my friends parents' coins Morgan Dollars 1 1

[Halbrook Family]

I am going through my buddies deceased parents coins they had. Clad silver IKE's and clad half dollars but came upon these two Morgan's. The dark one weighs 26.4 and the light one weighs 26.7

Are these real? How can you tell? Are the pictures good enough to give a basic grade by? I personally don't have any morgans. 

Also some odd ball things I think. Are these the things that are sold on info commercials? Last 3 pics. 

Lots of first day issue in a stamp collection was with this stuff. 

[Halbrook Family]

I never had any interest in having grading my coins. They charge far more then they should. Though I don't own any coins worthy of grading anyways. For the $50 or $80 they charge I'd rather buy another coin. To get a opinion from someone here is far good enough. 

[powermad5000]

I'll answer for your Morgans. I would say they are legit. They are not extremely rare in the series and are considered "common". Both look like normally circulated Morgans. Sometimes depending on how they are stored for years, Morgans can turn many different colors all the way from light grey to black to crazy rainbow toning. My humble grade opinions :

1890 (P) - VF 30

1899 O (I think I see an O) - XF 40

Whether they are cleaned or not would need to be determined by an in-hand inspection to see if there are hairlines and if the toning might possibly be hiding hairlines.

Values around $35-45 each.

The rest of the coins and bar seem like they are things not necessarily sold on infomercials but are sold by any of various coin companies.

[Sandon]

       I am in general agreement with @powermad5000's assessment of the grades of the Morgan dollars (VF and XF) but would like to see a better photo of the reverse of the 1899-O, as the mintmark doesn't appear to match either of the styles (normal round "O" or "micro O") known for that year.     

On 10/24/2023 at 9:59 PM, edhalbrook said:

Are these real? How can you tell?

   Counterfeit detection is a complex topic, but you can get some basic instruction here: NGC Counterfeit Detection | Identify Counterfeit Coins | NGC (ngccoin.com). It is important for every collector to learn what genuine examples of various types of coins look like to be able to detect at least the more obvious fakes.    

On 10/24/2023 at 10:36 PM, edhalbrook said:

I don't own any coins worthy of grading

   All coins are "worthy of grading"--by you, once you learn the necessary skills. Some collectors now take "grading" to be synonymous with submitting coins to third-party grading services, which is incorrect. These services didn't exist before 1986. Every collector should own and study a grading guide, which is as indispensable as a recent edition "Redbook". PCGS Photograde (https://www.pcgs.com/photograde) will do until you get one.

[RWB]

As mentioned the Morgan dollars are worth about $30 each.

The coin in "official certificates" and other such holders and souvenir items sold by companies at inflated prices. The holders have no coin collector value and the coins are worth their face amount. Suggest you concentrate on other coins that are not in this kind of packaging. (But keep the coins in US Mint packaging separate.)

You are welcome to post photos of anything of interest here, but nearly all clad coins are just pocket change.

[Halbrook Family]

On 10/25/2023 at 10:06 AM, RWB said:

 

The coin in "official certificates" and other such holders and souvenir items sold by companies at inflated prices. The holders have no coin collector value and the coins are worth their face amount. Suggest you concentrate on other coins that are not in this kind of packaging. (But keep the coins in US Mint packaging separate.)

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166384173293?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vzf_viksqja&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=c-fotiubrf-&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
 

Wouldn't my George Washington coins be worth 50 times what this ad is worth? LOL  No I would never buy stuff like this package. Unless I could get it for less then $51. 

[RWB]

Tough to find a truthful statement in that auction. This might also be an indicator of the seller's knowledge:

"Mint Location --- Florida"

Offer the seller 50-cents for this "rare" coin....with prepaid postage.

[EagleRJO]

On 10/28/2023 at 9:32 AM, edhalbrook said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166384173293?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vzf_viksqja&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=c-fotiubrf-&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
 

Wouldn't my George Washington coins be worth 50 times what this ad is worth? LOL  No I would never buy stuff like this package. Unless I could get it for less then $51. 

As you probably know there are plenty of rip off listing on ebay for ridiculous prices.  Now sold listings, that is a little more reliable tempered with the reality that occasionally someone is not really knowledgeable and gets fleeced.

[dprince1138]

Here is a grading reference that I have used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_coin_grading_scale

I grade my coins as I sell them on ebay.

Also, here are the documents that I use for recommended value and known varieties.

NGC Coin Price Guide and Values | NGC

United States Categories | VarietyPlus® | NGC

Here are methods to determine counterfeit silver coins.

(I have a magnet and a sensitive scale)

Fake Silver Coins: 14 Ways to Spot Counterfeits - Silver Coins

 

Edited October 28, 2023 by dprince1138

[J P M]

On 10/28/2023 at 6:06 PM, dprince1138 said:

Here is a grading reference that I have used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_coin_grading_scale

I grade my coins as I sell them on ebay.

Also, here are the documents that I use for recommended value and known varieties.

NGC Coin Price Guide and Values | NGC

United States Categories | VarietyPlus® | NGC

Here are methods to determine counterfeit silver coins.

(I have a magnet and a sensitive scale)

Fake Silver Coins: 14 Ways to Spot Counterfeits - Silver Coins

 

I grade my coins as I sell them ? What does that mean?  If it passes the 14 ways test is it ok to sell it ? I am so confused 

[Greenstang]

It is also against eBay policy to sell a numerical graded coin whether marked on a 2x2 or the description   
unless it is from one of the eBay recognized graders.  You can describe it as something like Good or Fine
as long there is no number associated with it.

[powermad5000]

On 10/28/2023 at 7:16 PM, Greenstang said:

It is also against eBay policy to sell a numerical graded

I believe this to be correct unless it is certified by a TPG in their slab.

[Halbrook Family]

On 10/28/2023 at 11:20 AM, EagleRJO said:

As you probably know there are plenty of rip off listing on ebay for ridiculous prices.  Now sold listings, that is a little more reliable tempered with the reality that occasionally someone is not really knowledgeable and gets fleeced.

There is a bunch of those $2000 George Washington dollars. Funny. 

[Halbrook Family]

Here is a better photo of the mint mark. It looks like it took a ding there. At my friends parents estate sale I did pick up some 925 salt and pepper shakers. I didn't buy the coins however. 

[powermad5000]

OUCH! Several big hits on the reverse. The O, E in ONE, the lowest arrow tip, and looks like a rim hit above the M in AMERICA. Lucky that's on a common O Morgan. Btw, that is not the micro O variety. I still think it would be in the lowest XF range.