1962 D DDO 1 1

[rgregoms70]

  Has there been any discovery of a DDO in this year from Denver. I saw your competitors certified one. I think I may have one as well but I'm no expert. Just speculation at this point. I'm prepared to send it to you guys or am I wasting My time and money????

Edited September 27, 2023 by rgregoms70

[KaileeS CS]

Hello @rgregoms70, thank you for contacting us. Yes, we have graded varieties from coins minted in 1962. You will need to check the census for your coin to confirm if any were from Denver. You may kindly search these on our VarietyPlus | NGC webpage.

Please let us know if you have any additional questions. Thank you!

[rgregoms70]

Ok. There's no population of any variety from that year or mint. Just created an invoice. Here he comes....

[rgregoms70]

I hope you guys agree and grade this a DDO new discovery.  I'd be tickled pink.🙂

[Sandon]

    Welcome to the NGC chat board. I hope that you haven't already shipped this submission, as in all likelihood you will be wasting your money.

    If a variety isn't already listed on NGC VarietyPlus, it is extremely unlikely that NGC will attribute it. For it to be attributed as a "discovery specimen", it would likely have to be a major doubled die that is visible to the naked eye or at least under low magnification. Such a coin minted in 1962 would likely have already been discovered.  Here are two suggestions:

 1.  Have you compared your coin with the descriptions and images of minor doubled dies on doubleddie.com, https://www.doubleddie.com/, and Variety Vista, http://www.varietyvista.com/? Most of these varieties are of low value, but they are collectible if they interest you.  Other grading services (PCGS and/or ANACS) may be willing to attribute and encapsulate them, if you consider it worth the cost. 

2.  You can also (or alternatively) post clear cropped, photos of the entire obverse and reverse of the coin and close-ups of the areas that you think show die doubling on the "Newbie Coin Collecting Questions" forum on this chat board, and our members will provide their opinions.  Please be advised that most of the purported "doubled dies" we see turn out to be worthless forms of doubling such as strike, machine, or mechanical doubling (step-like images on different levels) or die deterioration doubling (fuzzy or ghost-like images near the primary image). A doubled die generally shows crisp extra images that are at about the same level as the primary image, with "notching" at the junctures of doubled letters or numbers.

[Greenstang]

I hope you know the difference between DDO and Machine Doubling.  
Over 90% of the coins we see on here that people think are Doubled Dies  
turn out to be worthless Machine Doubling. If you haven’t already sent it out,    
post a clear photo of the coin on this forum and someone will be able to help.

[rgregoms70]

[rgregoms70]

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[rgregoms70]

Yes sir. It says Newbie on this chat profile. The die is actually doubled not double struck but ty for your response to my chat. I appreciate your time.

[rgregoms70]

Ill send it to ANACS as suggested...

[Sandon]

   Based on your photos, this 1962-D cent does not appear to me to show any form of doubling, die doubling or otherwise. There is evidence of slight die deterioration a.k.a. "die crumbling" inside and on some of the letters in the motto. I don't think that ANACS or any other grading service would attribute this coin as a doubled die or other die variety. You may receive other opinions. If you do submit it to a grading service, please inform us as to the results.

On 9/27/2023 at 1:48 PM, rgregoms70 said:

The die is actually doubled not double struck

   No one has suggested that the coin is double struck, meaning that the planchet (coin blank) was struck twice by the dies. This would be classified as a mint error rather than a die variety.  I and @Greenstang were referring to a worthless form of doubling that is alternatively known as "strike doubling", "machine doubling", or "mechanical doubling", which results from a die that is not itself doubled but is loose in the press, causing a "shelf-like" secondary image that has less depth than the primary image.  See the following resources for this and other worthless forms of doubling as compared to true doubled dies:

Double Dies vs. Machine Doubling | NGC (ngccoin.com)

https://www.doubleddie.com/144822.html

https://www.doubleddie.com/144843.html

https://www.doubleddie.com/144864.html

[rgregoms70]

If that isn't a DDO someone please tell me why the MM isnt?

[rgregoms70]

On 9/27/2023 at 2:34 PM, Sandon said:

   Based on your photos, this 1962-D cent does not appear to me to show any form of doubling, die doubling or otherwise. There is evidence of slight die deterioration a.k.a. "die crumbling" inside and on some of the letters in the motto. I don't think that ANACS or any other grading service would attribute this coin as a doubled die or other die variety. You may receive other opinions. If you do submit it to a grading service, please inform us as to the results.

   No one has suggested that the coin is double struck, meaning that the planchet (coin blank) was struck twice by the dies. This would be classified as a mint error rather than a die variety.  I and @Greenstang were referring to a worthless form of doubling that is alternatively known as "strike doubling", "machine doubling", or "mechanical doubling", which results from a die that is not itself doubled but is loose in the press, causing a "shelf-like" secondary image that has less depth than the primary image.  See the following resources for this and other worthless forms of doubling as compared to true doubled dies:

Double Dies vs. Machine Doubling | NGC (ngccoin.com)

https://www.doubleddie.com/144822.html

https://www.doubleddie.com/144843.html

https://www.doubleddie.com/144864.html

 

[rgregoms70]

On 9/27/2023 at 2:40 PM, rgregoms70 said:

If that isn't a DDO someone please tell me why the MM isnt?

I know the MM was add after

[rgregoms70]

@Sandon @Greenstang ty both for your time. I do appreciate you taking the time to help me out. Very appreciative. 

[Sandon]

   Without an enlarged photo of the coin in the ANACS holder, there is no way to determine whether it bears any resemblance to your coin. It is possibly a new variety that has yet to be listed on the authoritative websites or references.

   Doubleddie.com lists one DDO variety for 1962-D cents and Variety Vista lists two, both minor doubled dies, neither of which seems to match your coin. See the following links for descriptions and photos:

https://www.doubleddie.com/730634.html

http://www.varietyvista.com/09d WQ Vol 4 DC/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/DDO 1962-D.htm

   There are numerous sellers on ebay and other websites who, whether out of ignorance or fraudulent intent, ask outrageous prices for minor varieties or mint errors. Just because someone asks $9,995 for something does not mean that it would ever actually sell for that price or anything like it to a knowledgeable collector. Minor doubled dies and others not listed in the Redbook or other major references such as The Cherrypickers' Guide to Rare Die Varieties usually only sell for a few dollars or tens of dollars. You could buy a 1955 doubled die cent, the most famous and popular doubled die coin, in MS 64 RB, the grade of the ANACS coin, for less. It currently lists $5,150 on the NGC Price Guide. Actual sales records of the major numismatic auction houses, which are listed on the PCGS and NGC websites, are a better guide to the actual values of coins. 

[rgregoms70]

On 9/27/2023 at 3:26 PM, Sandon said:

   Without an enlarged photo of the coin in the ANACS holder, there is no way to determine whether it bears any resemblance to your coin. It is possibly a new variety that has yet to be listed on the authoritative websites or references.

   Doubleddie.com lists one DDO variety for 1962-D cents and Variety Vista lists two, both minor doubled dies, neither of which seems to match your coin. See the following links for descriptions and photos:

https://www.doubleddie.com/730634.html

http://www.varietyvista.com/09d WQ Vol 4 DC/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/DDO 1962-D.htm

   There are numerous sellers on ebay and other websites who, whether out of ignorance or fraudulent intent, ask outrageous prices for minor varieties or mint errors. Just because someone asks $9,995 for something does not mean that it would ever actually sell for that price or anything like it to a knowledgeable collector. Minor doubled dies and others not listed in the Redbook or other major references such as The Cherrypickers' Guide to Rare Die Varieties usually only sell for a few dollars or tens of dollars. You could buy a 1955 doubled die cent, the most famous and popular doubled die coin, in MS 64 RB, the grade of the ANACS coin, for less. It currently lists $5,150 on the NGC Price Guide. Actual sales records of the major numismatic auction houses, which are listed on the PCGS and NGC websites, are a better guide to the actual values of coins. 

Nothing was even mentioned of a monetary issue. I just wanted the coin authenticated by NGC. You however have steered me away from that and variety villa has attributed the 1962 D as a true DDO. You're right My coin looks nothing like it. Had no clue there were NGC chat nazi's I'm over it. And take all those links and try going outside later.