schism Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 I've got a 1998 D Lincoln Cent DDO DDR strike through error on both obv and rev. sitting Lincoln doubled missing BUS in motto also die clashing on both sides. Anyone know the value on a coin like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT2 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 its worth a cent... I am curious as to where you think these conditions are on the coin? I am seeing nothing ore than a worn out cent. Fenntucky Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schism Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 I asked a question. if you're not going to answer the question, don't reply.first of all can't you see the.missing letters also the the die clashes on the steps are very noticeable and the double sitting Lincoln very noticeable also. I asked if anyone knows the value. I know what the errors are on this coin. Simply don't reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Actually, JT did answer your question. You asked the value; he replied with his opinion of one cent. The fact that you don't like his answer doesn't mean he didn't answer you. As for your coin, it does appear to have been struck through grease on the upper part of the reverse. If that added any value at all to a cent that worn, it would be minuscule. I can't make out any evidence of die clashing in your pictures, either. The rest of what you see looks like either damage or is the result of very worn dies, including the doubling that appears on the date and elsewhere. Edited October 12, 2022 by Just Bob GBrad and JT2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schism Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 The sitting Lincoln isn't doubled? what is the impression in the column to the left of Lincoln in the memorial? Look, I don't have an issue with being wrong in regards to the errors, but when there's something as obvious as the doubling of the sitting Lincoln, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sandon Posted October 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Your photos are very grainy. I can't tell whether the obverse has doubling of some sort or it's just the blurriness of the photo. I see no doubling on the Lincoln statue on the reverse, which is also too grainy to see any fine detail. The weakness at the upper reverse is either due to grease on the die or is simply the result of inadequate striking pressure. Grease filled dies are not valued by collectors unless an entire side of the coin is affected, and I don't recall them being particularly valuable even then. Lincoln cents with the memorial reverse are frequently weakly struck in this area because it is opposite Lincoln's bust on the obverse die and requires more pressure for the reverse die to bring up the design in that area. This sort of "error" is not valued by collectors. To the contrary, collectors prefer strongly struck coins. Under one of your previous posts ("1996 quarter DDO") I suggested some resources to which you could refer to learn about mint errors and about U.S. coins generally. Have you done so? Some level of knowledge helps to ask us good questions. Edited October 12, 2022 by Sandon GBrad, Henri Charriere, Oldhoopster and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Just Bob Posted October 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/12/2022 at 7:56 AM, schism said: The sitting Lincoln isn't doubled? what is the impression in the column to the left of Lincoln in the memorial? Hard to tell what is going on from the pictures. Remember: if the die is doubled - the only kind of doubling worth a premium - every coin struck from that die will have the same doubling. That means there are possibly hundreds of thousands out there. The odds are that a coin that has been in circulation for over 20 years with significant doubling would have already been discovered. That is not for certain, because new varieties are always being discovered on older coins, but the chances are slim. Here is a link to the known doubled reverse dies for that year/mint mark: Click here. Compare your coin to the ones shown. See if it matches any of them. In addition, here is a picture of an overlay for the Lincoln Memorial cent. This will show what to look for when trying to determine if your coin shows die clashing. Henri Charriere, Fenntucky Mike and RonnieR131 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schism Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 Thanks Sandon and just bob. Very very helpful and much appreciated info. My apologies for the grainy pics. Those are the best pics I can send at the moment. Both sides have faint lettering all around the coin. The 8 in the date is hardly visible as well as one cent which is more faint closest to the edge. The die clash seems as though the coin was struck multiple times. It's been struck so many times, that it's difficult to see unless you've got the coin in front of you. Anyhow I really appreciate the feed back I received from the last two members. That's exactly what makes a new comer feel welcome. As far the lame replies from the rest of you, thanks for absolutely nothing. You were of no help. You'd have been been of more help not replying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schism Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 Hypothetically, if all the errors I stated were correct, would this coin be of any value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/12/2022 at 10:42 AM, schism said: Hypothetically, if all the errors I stated were correct, would this coin be of any value? Not possible to estimate the "value" of something so improbable. RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldhoopster Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Sorry, but I don't see any die clash. You can confirm that by looking at the overlay that @Just Bob posted. @Sandon provided a good explanation of why you don't have a filled die. It's not uncommon to find this striking weakness on the reverse of many Lincoln Memorial cents and it's not considered an error, just normal process variability I can't see anything regarding doubling. You need to be showing the characteristics of true doubling such as split serifs and widening, vs flat and shelflike and thinning. Not sure what I'm talking about? I strongly suggest you go www.doubleddie.com and study the info in the tabs. Until you can tell the difference between true die doubling and mechanical doubling and die deterioration, you'll just keep spinning your wheels You shouldn't worry about value. If your searching for errors to make money, you're in the wrong racket. Most of the minor die breaks, clashes, and filled dies have no premium. Even most minor Doubled dies have little or no value. If you find something you can sell on eBay for a buck or two, your doing well. Finding a $5-10 error is hitting the jackpot and may only occur every few years. Once again, the key is knowing if you have an error and not wasting your time on coins like the one you posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Neophyte Numismatist Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Coins are worth what a collector will pay. This 1998 cent holds no premium. The coin may have had a grease filled reverse die that partially filled the motto and legend. However, this is very common. Likewise, any doubling would be remote looking at the pictures. What I can see is wear, damage and unattractive toning on the reverse. Sorry, but this coin is just not collectible in my opinion (I would spend it). Condition is king, and you would need the error to scream "WOW!" for a 1998 coin that looks less-then-perfect to be desirable to collectors. Edit note: all that said... if you enjoy looking at it, keep it. The cost of aquisition does not get lower. Edited October 12, 2022 by The Neophyte Numismatist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schism Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 And RWB don't be such a D. I understand you're quite the numismatic genius. Why are many coin geniuses such . I'm sorry for the vulgarity. I just can't help but call things as I see fit. No need for the snobbery ol coin master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/12/2022 at 10:36 AM, schism said: The die clash seems as though the coin was struck multiple times. It's been struck so many times, that it's difficult to see unless you've got the coin in front of you A die clash is distinctly different from a coin that has been struck multiple times! "Clashed dies" means that a pair of coinage dies came together in the press without a coin blank between them, resulting in traces of the design from one (or each) of the dies transferring to the other. Subsequent coins struck from these clashed dies will show evidence of the clash, known as "clash marks", as on this 1865 copper nickel three cent piece from my collection, which shows strong clash marks on each side, (as well as die cracks on the obverse around "OF"). Liberty's profile from the obverse is especially strong on the left side of the reverse: Clash marks are relatively common, especially on older coins, and usually add little or no premium to the coin's value. On the other hand, coins featuring multiple strikes from the dies while the blank was in different positions in relationship to the dies are considered to be significant errors and often command good prices. Each one is one of a kind. Here are NGC photos of the obverse of a double struck foreign coin with the second struck well off center and of one that was triple struck, each in a different position: I hope this helps. Fenntucky Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schism Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 yes it does. Those coins make my Lincoln cents look like chump change.No pun intended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
